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From: Jason on 21 Jul 2010 02:18 In article <XdudnVuVZK9zt9vRnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 7/20/2010 5:19 PM, Jason wrote: > > In article<mr2dndV2teQ3c9jRnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph > > <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> On 7/20/2010 2:51 AM, Jason wrote: > >>> In article<i2368n$pjf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" > >>> <Parish(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >>> > >>>> "Jason"<Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > >>>> news:Jason-1907100133520001(a)66-53-209-75.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > >>>>> In article > >>>>> <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584a89(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > >>>>> > >>>>> Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: > >>>>> > >>>>> "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > >>>>> ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > >>>>> that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > >>>>> wonderful have been, and are being evolved." > >>>> > >>>> First, why are you adding [BY THE CREATOR] to what he wrote? None of > > us can > >>>> know what he had in his mind at the time. > >>>> > >>>>> I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam and > >>>>> perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants and > >>>>> animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals later > >>>>> evolved. > >>>> > >>>> Where has Darwin mentioned Adam and Eve? Why are you adding them to > > what he > >>>> wrote. He never mentioned them. > >>> > >>> It's obvious to me that he was talking about God. You are looking at his > >>> statement with evolution colored glasses. I am looking at his statement > >>> knowing full well that Darwin had an excellent understanding of the Bible > >>> and even planned to become a minister. In those days, the vast majority of > >>> the people in the world were Christians. > >> > >> > >> What is so obvious to you isn't so obvious to the rest of us. If Darwin > >> wanted to say that why didn't he just say it? He certainly could have > >> made things much easier for himself if he had. He didn't, however, > >> because he didn't feel that it was so. > > > > I believe that it is fairly easy to understand his above statement. It's > > fairly easy for me to understand it since I know that Darwin was a > > Christian during the early years of his life and even considered becoming > > a preacher. He had an excellent understanding of the Bible. I compared his > > statement to this scripture and his statement made perfect sense: > > > > Genesis 2: 7 And the Lord God formed man out ofthe dust of the ground, and > > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man became a living > > soul. > > > > Darwin's statement: "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE > > > > > > > Please read other replies to this inane assertion. Do you not understand > what I said?? Let me spell it out for you. If Darwin had acknowledged > god it would have softened the resistance to the book from the > Christians. Do you understand now, Darwin had nothing to lose(except his > dignity) by saying goddidit! Since he didn't, it is evident that was not > what he was saying. What do you think Darwin meant when he stated--"Having Been originally breathed into a few forms or into one."
From: The Chief Instigator on 21 Jul 2010 02:51 On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:13:34 -0700, Jason <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote: > In article ><ff4cd255-9702-400f-bc53-ea95c25218ef(a)y13g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, Mark > Evans <markevans1951(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 20, 2:51=A0am, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <i2368n$pj...(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > <Par...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> > > "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> > >news:Jason-1907100133520001(a)66-53-209-75.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> > > > In article >> > > > <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584...(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, >> > >> > > > Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: >> > >> > > > "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN >> > > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; an= >> d >> > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and mos= >> t >> > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved." >> > >> > > First, why are you adding [BY THE CREATOR] to what he wrote? =A0None of= >> us can >> > > know what he had in his mind at the time. >> > >> > > > I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam = >> and >> > > > perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants a= >> nd >> > > > animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals l= >> ater >> > > > evolved. >> > >> > > Where has Darwin mentioned Adam and Eve? =A0Why are you adding them to = >> what he >> > > wrote. =A0He never mentioned them. >> > >> > It's obvious to me that he was talking about God. You are looking at his >> > statement with evolution colored glasses. I am looking at his statement >> > knowing full well that Darwin had an excellent understanding of the Bible >> > and even planned to become a minister. In those days, the vast majority o= >> f >> > the people in the world were Christians.- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> Darwin had, when younger, thought of becoming a minister but discarded >> the idea. >> >> In those days, as now, most people in the world were not christians. >> And, to be blunt, a lot of christians had their doubts about the >> validity of other christians. >> >> Mark Evans > > Mark, > Good point---I should have stated that most of the people in America were > Christians (in the 1800's). That's as may be, but this is 2010, and I ditched gods four and a half decades ago. This native of a Kentucky coal camp doesn't need your spooks. -- Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick(a)io.com) Houston, TX www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2009-10 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: San Antonio 3, Houston 2 (April 11) NEXT GAME: The 2010-11 opener vs. TBA, October 8
From: Ben Kaufman on 21 Jul 2010 07:13 On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Joseki <jabriol2000(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Jul 16, 6:49�am, Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000- >doll...(a)pobox.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:13:16 -0700 (PDT), Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >On Jul 14, 11:04�pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >> >> >> Life either came from non-life or life exists to the infinite past. >> >> >> So you insist the universe is infinitely old and life has always existed? >> >> >You can't demonstrate one or they other... heres is another Option >> >Gazoo Farted and here we are. Hold up... you can't demonstrate that >> >one neither. >> >> Your Gazoo is already alive so you are not offering a competing process to >> abiogenesis. > >Interesting you said this. some of your thread colleagues said that >God use abiogenesis to create life. They also acknowledge God is a myth.
From: Mark K Bilbo on 21 Jul 2010 09:40 On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:18:05 -0700, Jason wrote: > In article <XdudnVuVZK9zt9vRnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph > <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 7/20/2010 5:19 PM, Jason wrote: >> > In article<mr2dndV2teQ3c9jRnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph >> > <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On 7/20/2010 2:51 AM, Jason wrote: >> >>> In article<i2368n$pjf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" >> >>> <Parish(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> "Jason"<Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> >>>> news:Jason-1907100133520001(a)66-53-209-75.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> >>>>> In article >> >>>>> <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69- b670-6c805d584a89(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN ORIGINALLY >> >>>>> BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and that >> >>>>> from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most >> >>>>> wonderful have been, and are being evolved." >> >>>> >> >>>> First, why are you adding [BY THE CREATOR] to what he wrote? None >> >>>> of >> > us can >> >>>> know what he had in his mind at the time. >> >>>> >> >>>>> I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into >> >>>>> Adam and perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless >> >>>>> number of plants and animals that were beautiful and wonderful. >> >>>>> Those plants and > animals later >> >>>>> evolved. >> >>>> >> >>>> Where has Darwin mentioned Adam and Eve? Why are you adding them >> >>>> to >> > what he >> >>>> wrote. He never mentioned them. >> >>> >> >>> It's obvious to me that he was talking about God. You are looking >> >>> at his statement with evolution colored glasses. I am looking at >> >>> his statement knowing full well that Darwin had an excellent >> >>> understanding of the Bible and even planned to become a minister. >> >>> In those days, the vast majority of the people in the world were >> >>> Christians. >> >> >> >> >> >> What is so obvious to you isn't so obvious to the rest of us. If >> >> Darwin wanted to say that why didn't he just say it? He certainly >> >> could have made things much easier for himself if he had. He didn't, >> >> however, because he didn't feel that it was so. >> > >> > I believe that it is fairly easy to understand his above statement. >> > It's fairly easy for me to understand it since I know that Darwin was >> > a Christian during the early years of his life and even considered >> > becoming a preacher. He had an excellent understanding of the Bible. >> > I compared his statement to this scripture and his statement made >> > perfect sense: >> > >> > Genesis 2: 7 And the Lord God formed man out ofthe dust of the >> > ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man >> > became a living soul. >> > >> > Darwin's statement: "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING >> > BEEN ORIGINALLY BREATHED INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE >> > >> > >> > >> >> Please read other replies to this inane assertion. Do you not >> understand what I said?? Let me spell it out for you. If Darwin had >> acknowledged god it would have softened the resistance to the book from >> the Christians. Do you understand now, Darwin had nothing to >> lose(except his dignity) by saying goddidit! Since he didn't, it is >> evident that was not what he was saying. > > What do you think Darwin meant when he stated--"Having Been originally > breathed into a few forms or into one." It's irrelevant what I "think" about it. The text is clear. He was talking about primitive life. Abiogenesis. You know, that thing you hate? -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else pours dirt in their holes. "Climb out of your holes people!" - Dr. House, on faith
From: Mark K Bilbo on 21 Jul 2010 09:40
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:13:34 -0700, Jason wrote: > In article > <ff4cd255-9702-400f-bc53-ea95c25218ef(a)y13g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > Mark Evans <markevans1951(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 20, 2:51=A0am, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <i2368n$pj...(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > <Par...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> > > "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> > >news:Jason-1907100133520001(a)66-53-209-75.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> > > > In article >> > > > <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69- b670-6c805d584...(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, >> > >> > > > Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: >> > >> > > > "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN ORIGINALLY >> > > > BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; an= >> d >> > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and >> > > > mos= >> t >> > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved." >> > >> > > First, why are you adding [BY THE CREATOR] to what he wrote? >> > > =A0None of= >> us can >> > > know what he had in his mind at the time. >> > >> > > > I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into >> > > > Adam = >> and >> > > > perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of >> > > > plants a= >> nd >> > > > animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and >> > > > animals l= >> ater >> > > > evolved. >> > >> > > Where has Darwin mentioned Adam and Eve? =A0Why are you adding them >> > > to = >> what he >> > > wrote. =A0He never mentioned them. >> > >> > It's obvious to me that he was talking about God. You are looking at >> > his statement with evolution colored glasses. I am looking at his >> > statement knowing full well that Darwin had an excellent >> > understanding of the Bible and even planned to become a minister. In >> > those days, the vast majority o= >> f >> > the people in the world were Christians.- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> Darwin had, when younger, thought of becoming a minister but discarded >> the idea. >> >> In those days, as now, most people in the world were not christians. >> And, to be blunt, a lot of christians had their doubts about the >> validity of other christians. >> >> Mark Evans > > Mark, > Good point---I should have stated that most of the people in America > were Christians (in the 1800's). What's that to do with Darwin? -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you're told. Religion is doing what you're told, not matter what is right." - Jerry Sturdivant |