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From: Mark K Bilbo on 20 Jul 2010 20:06 On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:02:05 -0400, Ralph wrote: > Do you not understand what I said?? No, no he doesn't. Nor what anybody else has said. -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "If the Bible proves that God exists then comic books prove the existence of Superman."
From: Smiler. on 20 Jul 2010 23:15 Mark K Bilbo wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:47:26 -0500, Parish *~ wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1907100133520001(a)66-53-209-75.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>> In article >>> <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584a89(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, >>> >>> Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: >>> >>> "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN ORIGINALLY >>> BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and that >>> from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most >>> wonderful have been, and are being evolved." >> >> First, why are you adding [BY THE CREATOR] to what he wrote? None >> of us can know what he had in his mind at the time. > > Actually, I think we can. Never authoritatively of course but, still. > > If you read about his life, Darwin was a bit what we'd call "anal" > today. As he could not say with certainty how *life* began, he left > the door open for the first cell or cells or whatever to have been > "created". We'd call it "theistic evolution" or consider it deistic > these days. > > There was also a bit of fear involved. Fear of the reaction of the > Christians (Darwin was quite rational). He left them an "out" with the > origin of life, his theory killing special creation of "kinds" as it > did. > > I mean, he knew he was yanking the rug out from under the Eden myth. > He hedged by leaving a gap for god to retreat to. <g> > > Not to mention, deism was much more prevalent and acceptable in the > past of the US than recent history. Why would Darwin have cared about the US and it's beliefs? > The "clockwork god" who wound > things up then went on vacation was more common a belief than later > in our history. As in we went through quite a religious mania > starting in the late 19th century and the modern fundamentalist > movement was born in the early 20th. A nation born of the > Enlightenment kind of threw things into reverse gear all of the > sudden. -- Smiler The godless one. a.a.# 2279 All gods are bespoke. They're all made to perfectly fit the prejudices of their believers.
From: Smiler. on 20 Jul 2010 23:22 The Magpie wrote: > On 20/07/2010 07:45, Jason wrote: >> >> "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, >> having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and >> that whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed >> law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most >> beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being, evolved." >> � Charles Darwin >> >> My interpretation: >> >> God breathed life into Adam and perhaps also into Eve. God also >> created an endless number of beautiful and wonderful plants and >> animals. After the creation process was finished is when evolution >> kicked in. >> >> > > Remarkable interpretation since not one single element of it is in any > way mentioned by Darwin himself. In short, you are interpreting from > something other than Darwin's writing ... or perhaps your brain. There is no evidence that he has a brain. -- Smiler The godless one. a.a.# 2279 All gods are bespoke. They're all made to perfectly fit the prejudices of their believers.
From: livvy on 20 Jul 2010 23:33 On Jul 19, 6:58 pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <3bmdnSkL-6miMtnRnZ2dnUVZ_o6dn...(a)giganews.com>, Ralph > > > > > > > > <mmman...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > On 7/18/2010 11:58 PM, Jason wrote: > > > In article<l6c74613lbqrvudrp5sf83hv1cgbe99...(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us>  wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > >> alt.atheism: > > > >>> In article<4c438...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Ips-Switch" > > >>> <Ips-Swi...(a)nospam.invalid>  wrote: > > > >>>> "Jason"<Ja...(a)nospam.com>  wrote in message > > >>>>news:Jason-1807101340380001(a)67-150-175-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > >>>>> That's not true. The professors that teach at the ICR college understand > > >>>>> biology and even teach biology. They believe that God created life > > > on this > > >>>>> planet and humans did NOT evolve from single celled life forms. > > > Believe it > > >>>>> or not, not all college graduates that have taken college biology > classes > > >>>>> don't agree with you. They understand biology as much as evolutionists. > > > >>>> Professors of what?  Dentistry?  French History?  If they understand > > > biology > > >>>> they would know as much as these evolutionists you are so obsessed > > > with and > > >>>> not be teaching superstition, religion and plain old magic. > > > >>> They know about evolution but believe that God created mankind and life on > > >>> this planet. Even Darwin believed that God created life on this planet. > > > >> He didn't even appear to believe in any gods by the end of his life. > > > >> You are dishonest. You are a shame to your religion. > > > >> Luckily for you, the god you keep going on about does not exist. If he > > >> did, he would destroy you for being so offensive to him. > > > > Several people have asked me for proof that Darwin believed that a creator > > > God was responsible for the creation of mankind. > > > > I found information on a website: > > > >http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-expose.html > > > > I wonder, would a public school teacher in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, be > > > allowed to say the following: > > > ³It is interesting to contemplate Š[all the many forms of life on earth] > > > Šso different from each other, have all been produced by laws acting > > > around us. ŠThere is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; and > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved.² > > > Just imagine a public school teacher who says those words: that God > > > creates life and places it on the earth in a few forms, and then that life > > > evolves according to the physical and natural laws that God put into place > > > in the universe. > > > Would that be allowed? > > > Actually, it should be REQUIRED FOR THE TEACHER TO SAY THAT. > > > Why? Because the quote is from: On the Origin of the Species, Chapter XV, > > > Recapitulation and Conclusion, By Charles Darwin. > > > If you are going to teach Darwin¹s theory of evolution in public schools, > > > you should teach what Darwin actually wrote about it. > > > Michael S. Class Author > > > Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: The History Book with a Message for > > > Today¹s Young Americans > > > > If you google "breathed into a few forms or into one", you will get lots > > > of hits and may be able to find the name of the edition that had these > > > words. > > > > One internet website stated that the actual words were: > > > > There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers having > > > been orginially breathed into a few forms or into one. > > > > Darwin (in his younger years) planned to become a minister and as a result > > > knew lots of information about the Bible. He may have had this scripture > > > in mind when he wrote the above quotation: > > > > Genesis 2:7  An the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground and > > > breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living > > > soul. > > > You poor simpleton, that cane from a letter from a reader, not anyone at > > the site. If you had read on further you would have found the entire > > reading, in context: > > >    It is interesting to contemplate an entangled bank, clothed with > > many plants of many kinds, with birds singing on the bushes, with > > various insects flitting about, and with worms crawling through the damp > > earth, and to reflect that these elaborately constructed forms, so > > different from each other, and dependent on each other in so complex a > > manner, have all been produced by laws acting around us. > > >    These laws, taken in the largest sense, being: > > >    * Growth with Reproduction, > > >    * Inheritance, which is almost implied by reproduction. > > >    * Variability from the indirect and direct action of the external > > conditions of life, and from use and disuse. > > >    * A Ratio of Increase so high as to lead to a Struggle for Life ⦠> > >    * ⦠and as a consequence to Natural Selection, entailing Divergence > > of Character and the Extinction of less-improved forms. > > >    Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most > > exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the > > production of the higher animals, directly follows. > > >    There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, > > having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, > > whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of > > gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and > > most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved. > > > Keep pounding the keyboard Jason, you're one of our prime examples of > > the type of people who support creationism. > > Do you recall from the various posts that several people told me or at > least strongly implied that I was wrong when I stated that Darwin wrote in > his famous book that he believed that God created mankind and life on this > planet? It turns out that I was telling the truth and I proved it. Of > course, I knew I was telling the truth since I had seen those same words > last year. One of the posters told me about those words mentioned above > and even I was shocked when I read what Darwin had actually written about > his beliefs. It's obvious from his words, that he did not believe that > mankind evolved from a single celled life form and he also believed that > God created beautiful and wonderful plants and animals.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - If you had a strong educational background, which allows you to move forward, and study all realms of anything you want, you'd know better than to post a "ooh, look at me" thing. Study, read. Out here....ahhhh, not so much. Alls they know , they got from the internet. All very ME; you won't do well here, they'll see to that. Good luck.
From: Jason on 21 Jul 2010 02:13
In article <ff4cd255-9702-400f-bc53-ea95c25218ef(a)y13g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, Mark Evans <markevans1951(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 20, 2:51=A0am, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <i2368n$pj...(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Parish *~" > > > > > > > > > > > > <Par...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > > > "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > >news:Jason-1907100133520001(a)66-53-209-75.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > > > In article > > > > <30f9f50b-09a1-4e69-b670-6c805d584...(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > Why do you believe that Darwin made this statement: > > > > > > "There is grandeur in this view of life, HAVING BEEN > > > > ORIGINALLY BREATHED [BY THE CREATOR] INTO A FEW FORMS OR INTO ONE; an= > d > > > > that from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and mos= > t > > > > wonderful have been, and are being evolved." > > > > > First, why are you adding [BY THE CREATOR] to what he wrote? =A0None of= > us can > > > know what he had in his mind at the time. > > > > > > I define it to mean that Darwin believed God breathed life into Adam = > and > > > > perhaps also into Eve and that God made an endless number of plants a= > nd > > > > animals that were beautiful and wonderful. Those plants and animals l= > ater > > > > evolved. > > > > > Where has Darwin mentioned Adam and Eve? =A0Why are you adding them to = > what he > > > wrote. =A0He never mentioned them. > > > > It's obvious to me that he was talking about God. You are looking at his > > statement with evolution colored glasses. I am looking at his statement > > knowing full well that Darwin had an excellent understanding of the Bible > > and even planned to become a minister. In those days, the vast majority o= > f > > the people in the world were Christians.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Darwin had, when younger, thought of becoming a minister but discarded > the idea. > > In those days, as now, most people in the world were not christians. > And, to be blunt, a lot of christians had their doubts about the > validity of other christians. > > Mark Evans Mark, Good point---I should have stated that most of the people in America were Christians (in the 1800's). |