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From: Excognito on 2 Aug 2010 09:24 On Aug 2, 1:45 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > Not even remotely the point. I think you'll find it's closely related (taxi!). I may be wrong, but I suspect the implication is that if one knows what leads to pregnancy then it should be possible to interfere with the process of becoming pregnant in the first place, hence leading to abortion being (in general) a moot point for the large class of people who currently find it 'necessary'.
From: Jimbo on 2 Aug 2010 12:42 On Aug 2, 9:16 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 1:39 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 31, 5:08 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 31 July, 19:17, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > An interesting point of view. > > > > What about when, say, a couple of months after young one arrives, I > > > realize the true impact of having a child on my 'freedom'? > > > Then you can put it up for adoption. > > Hmm. What do I do if nobody else is stupid enough to want it > either? can I kill it then?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Then it becomes a ward of the state.
From: Jimbo on 2 Aug 2010 12:43 On Aug 2, 9:18 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 1:40 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 31, 6:51 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 31 July, 23:18, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:08:17 -0700 (PDT), Excognito > > > > <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > >On 31 July, 19:17, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > >> On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > >> > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > >> > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > >> And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > >> have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > >An interesting point of view. > > > > > >What about when, say, a couple of months after young one arrives, I > > > > >realize the true impact of having a child on my 'freedom'? The state > > > > >now insists that I can't just drop it into the garbage can, even > > > > >though I've discovered I don't want it any more. Social norms (in my > > > > >neck of the woods, at least) impose their own pressures to keep it > > > > >instead of dumping it on somebody's doorstep. Is this slavery as well? > > > > > Actually we do have processes that allow you to give up a child. It is > > > > true that once you have kept it for a while you would face serious > > > > social pressures not to decide that it's too much trouble, but the > > > > processes are in place. > > > > But I'm not allowed to kill it, > > > Because it is now an independent person, not riding around in your > > body. > > Independent? Good. It doesn't need me or anybody else anymore. It doesn't need you specifically, and you can put it up for adoption.
From: Jimbo on 2 Aug 2010 12:43 On Aug 2, 9:24 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 1:45 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > Not even remotely the point. > > I think you'll find it's closely related Not even in the slightest.
From: Excognito on 2 Aug 2010 13:11
On Aug 2, 5:43 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 9:24 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 1:45 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > I think you'll find it's closely related > > Not even in the slightest. You're quite right. I should not have implied, nor considered, that you would follow the argument or have a rationale that justifies your assertions. |