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From: John Bowling on 16 Mar 2010 13:43 Paul J Gans wrote: > Kevin Nathan <knathan(a)project54.com> wrote: >>On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:19:56 +0100 >>houghi <houghi(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote: > >>>Almost ready for download. Yeah! http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_11.3 >>> >>>:-D >>> > >>When is 11.4 going to be out? ;-) > > I'm holding out for 12.0 and KDE 5. > > I want what ever is next (12.0 or 11.3?) but with kde 3.5+ (upgraded but not to 4.anything).
From: Eef Hartman on 16 Mar 2010 14:23 John Bowling <johnlb2002(a)cox.net> wrote: > I want what ever is next (12.0 or 11.3?) 11.3, planned for july (see http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap). 12.0 won't be there until they're gearing up to a new SLE version (which should be somewhere end 2011 or early 2012, that is somewhere after 11.4 has been released, maybe even 11.5, keeping the current 8-month scheme 11.4 should be released about march 2011 and 11.5 then at the end of that year). >but with kde 3.5+ (upgraded but not to 4.anything). You will have a long wait then (or will have to assemble your own KDE-3 team) as the KDE developers have declared KDE 3 to be dead and they're only working on 4.x (probably 4.5 by the time openSUSE 11.3 will be released). The code of KDE-3 had become to much of a mess to be easily maintainable anymore and with the newer kernels tnd packages coming all of the time hey decided to start anew, which is what became KDE 4. -- ******************************************************************* ** Eef Hartman, Delft University of Technology, dept. SSC/ICT ** ** e-mail: E.J.M.Hartman(a)tudelft.nl - phone: +31-15-278 82525 ** *******************************************************************
From: David Bolt on 16 Mar 2010 16:04 On Tuesday 16 Mar 2010 19:12, while playing with a tin of spray paint, houghi painted this mural: > Eef Hartman wrote: >> 11.3, planned for july (see http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap). >> 12.0 won't be there until they're gearing up to a new SLE version >> (which should be somewhere end 2011 or early 2012, that is somewhere >> after 11.4 has been released, maybe even 11.5, keeping the current >> 8-month scheme 11.4 should be released about march 2011 and 11.5 then >> at the end of that year). > > That would be the first *.4 since a long time 6.4 was the last time I saw a x.4 release. > and the first *.5 since I > believe ever. I've never seen one. > Let's calculate. openSUSE has an 8 month release date. That used to be 6 > months. SUSE has a 2 year (24 month) release date. SLES 9 was released July 2004 and SLES 10 was July 2006. SLES 11 appears to have slipped somewhat as it was released in March 2009, some 9 months late if you go by a 24 month release cycle. > Normally SUSE comes out after openSUSE *.0 True, but they're actually released after the x.1 releases. The openSUSE site doesn't appear to have the release dates for releases before 10.2, but distrowatch does :) Using the dates from distrowatch, you can see SuSE 9.1 was released in April 2004, 3 months before SLES 9. SUSE 10.1 was released in May 2006, just 2 months before SLES 10, and 11.1 was released in December 2008, just 4 months before SLES 11. > So that would mean that with > the current 8 months, you would get: > openSUSE X.0 SUSE X openSUSE X.1 openSUSE X.2 openSUSE X.3 > 0 months 4 months 8 months 16 months 24 months Well, add a point release to openSUSE, and possibly change the x.3 to x+1.0, and you should be right. > That 24 months is 20 months for SUSE, so to keep the naming correct, the > X.3 should be named Y.0 as 4 months later SUSE Y will come out. see above. > But then the numbers are not really numbers. They are names. And the > names are pure marketing. So it could well be that SUSE starts a new > numbering when the years catch up with the versions. e.g. SUSE 14 is > released in 2014. I hope not. That would become more like Mandriva's, or possibly the xUbuntu's naming schemes. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 11.0 32b | | | openSUSE 11.3M3 32b openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 11.2 64b | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | RISC OS 4.02 | RISC OS 3.11
From: Darrell Stec on 16 Mar 2010 17:22 John Bowling wrote: > Paul J Gans wrote: > >> Kevin Nathan <knathan(a)project54.com> wrote: >>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:19:56 +0100 >>>houghi <houghi(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote: >> >>>>Almost ready for download. Yeah! http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_11.3 >>>> >>>>:-D >>>> >> >>>When is 11.4 going to be out? ;-) >> >> I'm holding out for 12.0 and KDE 5. >> >> > > I want what ever is next (12.0 or 11.3?) but with kde 3.5+ (upgraded but > not to 4.anything). That would be nice. So many programs are broken in KDE4.3 like kpilot, pidgin, noteedit, Bibletime among them and which I use on a consistent basis. -- Later, Darrell
From: David Bolt on 16 Mar 2010 20:14
On Tuesday 16 Mar 2010 23:35, while playing with a tin of spray paint, houghi painted this mural: > David Bolt wrote: >>> But then the numbers are not really numbers. They are names. And the >>> names are pure marketing. So it could well be that SUSE starts a new >>> numbering when the years catch up with the versions. e.g. SUSE 14 is >>> released in 2014. >> >> I hope not. That would become more like Mandriva's, or possibly the >> xUbuntu's naming schemes. > > Well, it is more logical to name them after months and years. openSUSE > 10.06 is the next version coming out in june 2010. :-D Not only do you > have the year. You also have the month. True, but I'd still prefer to keep the naming scheme that's been in use for years. And it would end up causing an even bigger disconnect between SLES and openSUSE. And now for something completely daft... > You are standing at the end of a road before a small brick building. > Around you is a forest. A small stream flows out of the building and > down a gully. You've found an occupied public toilet in the woods? :-) Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 11.0 32b | | | openSUSE 11.3M3 32b openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 11.2 64b | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | RISC OS 4.02 | RISC OS 3.11 |