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From: Paul J Gans on 19 Mar 2010 21:44 houghi <houghi(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote: >Paul J Gans wrote: >> I need KDE, after all this time, to "just work" as well. If it >> doesn't I am not dealing with an operating system, but with a toy. >Sorry to burst your bubble, but KDE is not an operating system. Houghi, I KNOW that. But KDE is my interface of choice to the OS. And yes, I do a lot of command line stuff via a terminal window opened in KDE. >Unfortunatly most people will confuse the OS, the desktop and the >programs. People think because k3b does not work, the desktop is bad and >as the desktop is the OS, because k3b does not work, Linux sucks. >I however now understand better how you think. Please. Don't patronize me. -- --- Paul J. Gans
From: Paul J Gans on 19 Mar 2010 21:49 Darklight <nglennglen(a)netscape.net> wrote: >Paul J Gans wrote: >> arnold <arnold(a)nto.com.invalid> wrote: >>>Chris Cox wrote: >> >>><snipped> >>>> >>>> Is KDE 4 ready? Well.... it's evolving. Takes a bit of >>>getting used >>>> to. It's different. >> >>>KDE 4 is just like Linux. it is, and will hopefully continue >>>to be, a work in progress. The world evolves. We just need to >>>learn to accept it. :-) >> >> I can't. We went from KDE 3 that worked 99% of the time >> to KDE 4 that not only doesn't come close to that, but made >> many changes just for the sake of making changes. >> >> Linux also has not progressed ever upwards. But the regressions >> have been small and short lasting. It is now quite stable and >> I expect it to "just work". >> >> I need KDE, after all this time, to "just work" as well. If it >> doesn't I am not dealing with an operating system, but with a toy. >> >> Like many others, I use Linux as a production system. I can't >> stop while KDE matures. >> >What does not work for you and what version of kde4 are you using. >Then i can tell you if it is working in the version of kde4 i have. >which is kde4.4.1 release 227 I am NOT working on kde4. I have systems that I must keep running and I need to do productive work on them. I sttaed this in my post. I'm certainly not adverse to learning a new interface. I've been learning new interfaces since 1955 when I first programmed a computer. No, that's not a typo. But I am adverse to a major change in what I have to do to configure the KDE 4 interface. Things are not where they used to be and some things don't (yet) work. I know that I will have to adapt to KDE 4. I am trying to delay that change and hoping that KDE 4 will mature in the interim. And I am also doing something I've never had to do before. I'm setting up a separate machine to run 11.2 so I can play with KDE 4 without screwing up production that I have to do. I should NOT have to do that with a real distribution. -- --- Paul J. Gans
From: Paul J Gans on 19 Mar 2010 21:53 Chris Cox <chrisncoxn(a)endlessnow.com> wrote: >On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 02:06 +0000, Paul J Gans wrote: >... >> That's a matter of opinion. Any major change to the way a system >> operates is a serious matter. Not perhaps for hobbiests, but for >> folks who use that system in a production environment as I do. >> >> As a result I'm still running 11.1. When that is no longer viable >> and I *have* to run a newer system, I will decide if that will >> be openSUSE or something else perhaps Gnomish. The learning curve >> will be the same for me. >As a long time KDE user... I will say that even though KDE 4 is >different (and lacking in many ways), Gnome is still Gnome and >still leaves you scratching your head and saying "why". That is, >while you might believe that switching to Gnome is possible, it's >still just as broken and bizarre as it's always been. And >Gnome 3 isn't a radical departure, so I don't expect Gnome to >"get it right" anytime soon. I have only played with Gnome on a portable and I have not done anything serious with it. It is the realization that I may well be left high and dry that has led to my minor upset over this. -- --- Paul J. Gans
From: Paul J Gans on 19 Mar 2010 21:54 Kevin Miller <atftb2(a)alaska.net> wrote: >WLS wrote: >> Since I am using Gnome could someone enlighten me on what I am supposed >> to be scratching my head and saying "why" about? >> >> What is right? >Well, one thing that's always annoyed me is when I resize a terminal >window, there's no easy way to tell it to remember the setting. Gotta >go find some xterm file buried about 5 levels deep in the X11 tree. In >KDE I could set it the size I wanted and save the setting. And the typeface and default size of the window as well. >And the default of opening a new window in the file manager when you >click on a directory instead of changing the directory in the current >window always struck me as backwards. I don't need twenty-eleven >windows open. >But to each his own... -- --- Paul J. Gans
From: Paul J Gans on 19 Mar 2010 22:01
WLS <rafter22(a)verizonremove.net> wrote: >On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:03:45 -0800, Kevin Miller wrote: >> WLS wrote: >> >>> Since I am using Gnome could someone enlighten me on what I am supposed >>> to be scratching my head and saying "why" about? >>> >>> What is right? >> >> Well, one thing that's always annoyed me is when I resize a terminal >> window, there's no easy way to tell it to remember the setting. Gotta >> go find some xterm file buried about 5 levels deep in the X11 tree. In >> KDE I could set it the size I wanted and save the setting. >> >> And the default of opening a new window in the file manager when you >> click on a directory instead of changing the directory in the current >> window always struck me as backwards. I don't need twenty-eleven >> windows open. >> >> But to each his own... >> >> ...Kevin >I don't recall ever wanting to keep a terminal window re-sized so can't >really comment on that. One of the neat things about KDE 3.5 is that if I center button click on the "fullsize" icon on the top right hand edge of the Konsole window, I get a screen that is as wide as it was before but runs from the top to the bottom of the screen. I prefer this for programming since I can see more code at once. It is also good for reading man pages. If one right clicks on the same icon I get one that is full screen wide but the same hight as before. This is good for displays of "top" or "mount" or any of a number of programs with wide output. >My directories open in the same window, not a new window in the file >manager. >-- >openSUSE 11.2x86_64 (Gnome 2.28.2) | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 3000+ | 2GB RAM -- --- Paul J. Gans |