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From: Will Honea on 18 Mar 2010 00:29 Paul J Gans wrote: > arnold <arnold(a)nto.com.invalid> wrote: >>Chris Cox wrote: > >><snipped> >>> >>> Is KDE 4 ready? Well.... it's evolving. Takes a bit of >>getting used >>> to. It's different. > >>KDE 4 is just like Linux. it is, and will hopefully continue >>to be, a work in progress. The world evolves. We just need to >>learn to accept it. :-) > > I can't. We went from KDE 3 that worked 99% of the time > to KDE 4 that not only doesn't come close to that, but made > many changes just for the sake of making changes. > > Linux also has not progressed ever upwards. But the regressions > have been small and short lasting. It is now quite stable and > I expect it to "just work". > > I need KDE, after all this time, to "just work" as well. If it > doesn't I am not dealing with an operating system, but with a toy. > > Like many others, I use Linux as a production system. I can't > stop while KDE matures. A hearty AMEN! to that. I'm spending far too much time trying to accommodate KDE4 changes. If the code base was such a mess, bite the bullet and clean it up! My users don't care about transparent windows and eye candy when it affects the stability they are used to. The last project I was brought in to maintain had a similar history of poorly managed growth over several years. One part of the group set out to completely redesign the mess while another took their framework and ported the working system into it on a functional basis. By the time the re-do was complete, we had deployed system that was identical to the existing system but we had a far more maintainable code base and rolling out the redesigned one was almost painless as we then backported the new features into a cleaned up, working system that was,in effect, the redesigned system. Delivery time was virtually the same that way as had been projected for the new system and (bonus) both the functionality and business rules remained at least on a par with the replaced code base without all the debugging and bug fixing needed for re-written code en toto. Then again, the engineer in me keeps whispering "DON'T RE_INVENT THE WHEEL - AGAIN!". -- Will Honea
From: Peter Köhlmann on 18 Mar 2010 03:47 Paul J Gans wrote: > arnold <arnold(a)nto.com.invalid> wrote: >>Chris Cox wrote: > >><snipped> >>> >>> Is KDE 4 ready? Well.... it's evolving. Takes a bit of >>getting used >>> to. It's different. > >>KDE 4 is just like Linux. it is, and will hopefully continue >>to be, a work in progress. The world evolves. We just need to >>learn to accept it. :-) > > I can't. We went from KDE 3 that worked 99% of the time > to KDE 4 that not only doesn't come close to that, but made > many changes just for the sake of making changes. Which is naturally just bullshit for the sake of bullshitting -- What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
From: Peter Köhlmann on 18 Mar 2010 03:51 Paul J Gans wrote: > Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann(a)t-online.de> wrote: >>J G Miller wrote: > >>> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:23:16 -0400, Arnold wrote: >>> >>>> Chris Cox wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is KDE 4 ready? Well.... it's evolving. Takes a bit of >>>> getting used >>>>> to. It's different. >>>> >>>> KDE 4 is just like Linux. it is, and will hopefully continue to be, a >>>> work in progress. >>> >>> Yes but the question is, putting aside all the flash and bells >>> and whistles and still to be resolved bugs, >>> >>> "Is KDE 4.0 a *better* user interface than KDE 3.5 ?" > >>KDE 4.3 /4.4 absolutely is. KDE4.0 was not > > That's a matter of opinion. No, it is a matter of fact The KDE4 "activities" for example lead to a better organised desktop > Any major change to the way a system > operates is a serious matter. For a "standard user" though the differences would be hardly noticeable after the system is setup > Not perhaps for hobbiests, but for > folks who use that system in a production environment as I do. What makes you think that I am not using it in a production environment? Your inbred arrogance? > As a result I'm still running 11.1. Fine for you. Which has absolutely nothing to do with KDE > When that is no longer viable > and I *have* to run a newer system, I will decide if that will > be openSUSE or something else perhaps Gnomish. The learning curve > will be the same for me. > Your choice. But simply stop this KDE bullshit. -- Most projects start out slowly -- and then sort of taper off. -- Norman Augustine
From: Darklight on 18 Mar 2010 09:13 Paul J Gans wrote: > arnold <arnold(a)nto.com.invalid> wrote: >>Chris Cox wrote: > >><snipped> >>> >>> Is KDE 4 ready? Well.... it's evolving. Takes a bit of >>getting used >>> to. It's different. > >>KDE 4 is just like Linux. it is, and will hopefully continue >>to be, a work in progress. The world evolves. We just need to >>learn to accept it. :-) > > I can't. We went from KDE 3 that worked 99% of the time > to KDE 4 that not only doesn't come close to that, but made > many changes just for the sake of making changes. > > Linux also has not progressed ever upwards. But the regressions > have been small and short lasting. It is now quite stable and > I expect it to "just work". > > I need KDE, after all this time, to "just work" as well. If it > doesn't I am not dealing with an operating system, but with a toy. > > Like many others, I use Linux as a production system. I can't > stop while KDE matures. > What does not work for you and what version of kde4 are you using. Then i can tell you if it is working in the version of kde4 i have. which is kde4.4.1 release 227
From: Chris Cox on 18 Mar 2010 12:05
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 02:06 +0000, Paul J Gans wrote: .... > That's a matter of opinion. Any major change to the way a system > operates is a serious matter. Not perhaps for hobbiests, but for > folks who use that system in a production environment as I do. > > As a result I'm still running 11.1. When that is no longer viable > and I *have* to run a newer system, I will decide if that will > be openSUSE or something else perhaps Gnomish. The learning curve > will be the same for me. As a long time KDE user... I will say that even though KDE 4 is different (and lacking in many ways), Gnome is still Gnome and still leaves you scratching your head and saying "why". That is, while you might believe that switching to Gnome is possible, it's still just as broken and bizarre as it's always been. And Gnome 3 isn't a radical departure, so I don't expect Gnome to "get it right" anytime soon. |