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From: WLS on 18 Mar 2010 12:38 On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:05:58 -0500, Chris Cox wrote: > On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 02:06 +0000, Paul J Gans wrote: ... >> That's a matter of opinion. Any major change to the way a system >> operates is a serious matter. Not perhaps for hobbiests, but for folks >> who use that system in a production environment as I do. >> >> As a result I'm still running 11.1. When that is no longer viable and >> I *have* to run a newer system, I will decide if that will be openSUSE >> or something else perhaps Gnomish. The learning curve will be the same >> for me. > > As a long time KDE user... I will say that even though KDE 4 is > different (and lacking in many ways), Gnome is still Gnome and still > leaves you scratching your head and saying "why". That is, while you > might believe that switching to Gnome is possible, it's still just as > broken and bizarre as it's always been. And Gnome 3 isn't a radical > departure, so I don't expect Gnome to "get it right" anytime soon. Since I am using Gnome could someone enlighten me on what I am supposed to be scratching my head and saying "why" about? What is right? -- openSUSE 11.2x86_64 (Gnome 2.28.2) | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 3000+ | 2GB RAM
From: Kevin Miller on 18 Mar 2010 14:03 WLS wrote: > Since I am using Gnome could someone enlighten me on what I am supposed > to be scratching my head and saying "why" about? > > What is right? Well, one thing that's always annoyed me is when I resize a terminal window, there's no easy way to tell it to remember the setting. Gotta go find some xterm file buried about 5 levels deep in the X11 tree. In KDE I could set it the size I wanted and save the setting. And the default of opening a new window in the file manager when you click on a directory instead of changing the directory in the current window always struck me as backwards. I don't need twenty-eleven windows open. But to each his own... ....Kevin -- Kevin Miller Juneau, Alaska http://www.alaska.net/~atftb In a recent poll, seven out of ten hard drives preferred Linux.
From: David Bolt on 18 Mar 2010 17:34 On Wednesday 17 Mar 2010 14:22, while playing with a tin of spray paint, houghi painted this mural: > David Bolt wrote: >>> The tools are in place to do that if there is ever a reason or request >>> for it. >> >> No need to request it. As you said, the tools are in place for a >> person, or group of people, to fork openSUSE and create their own >> distro. And, since it's possible to interface with kiwi, it's possible >> to build both live CDs and installation media. > > I agree that there currently is no need. I however think it is very > possitive that the ability is available if the need suddenly arrises. I can't actually foresee a need suddenly arising, not unless Novell suddenly decides to get wash their hands of openSUSE completely. And, I don't see that happening unless there's a sudden change of management who want to take Novell in a completely different direction. > Having the choice does not mean you need to act upon that choice. Of course not. > I have > the choice NOT to go to the Irish pub this evening. It is an option with > many advantages, but it does not mean I will follow up on that choice. > :-D :-) >>> Opensourcing the build service is a very major step in >>> that process. >> >> Yes it was. Now if only I could get it to install and work properly on >> my machines... > > That would be an issue if openSUSE and SLE would be forever linked. > However as that is not the case, that is not a huge issue, unless you > decide to start with a seperate distribution next to openSUSE You mean something like DavjamOS? :-) > and even > then I can imagine that in the beginning you could still use OBS. Well, I think a combination of OBS and Studio to start with. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 11.0 32b | | | openSUSE 11.3M3 32b openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 11.2 64b | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | RISC OS 4.02 | RISC OS 3.11
From: WLS on 18 Mar 2010 19:21 On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:03:45 -0800, Kevin Miller wrote: > WLS wrote: > >> Since I am using Gnome could someone enlighten me on what I am supposed >> to be scratching my head and saying "why" about? >> >> What is right? > > Well, one thing that's always annoyed me is when I resize a terminal > window, there's no easy way to tell it to remember the setting. Gotta > go find some xterm file buried about 5 levels deep in the X11 tree. In > KDE I could set it the size I wanted and save the setting. > > And the default of opening a new window in the file manager when you > click on a directory instead of changing the directory in the current > window always struck me as backwards. I don't need twenty-eleven > windows open. > > But to each his own... > > ...Kevin I don't recall ever wanting to keep a terminal window re-sized so can't really comment on that. My directories open in the same window, not a new window in the file manager. -- openSUSE 11.2x86_64 (Gnome 2.28.2) | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 3000+ | 2GB RAM
From: Chris Cox on 18 Mar 2010 19:39
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 11:38 -0500, WLS wrote: .... > Since I am using Gnome could someone enlighten me on what I am supposed > to be scratching my head and saying "why" about? > > What is right? What is right is whatever is "right" for you. I was speaking to KDE users. (you) As a gnome user, there won't be any loss or missed expectation. If you like Gnome, in all fairness, you are much better off because you have an environment that you like and Gnome 3 isn't going to destroy the exiting experience for you. With that said, I'd love to say use KDE4 and find out what you are missing... but usually people have other reasons for choosing one application over another. And KDE3 no longer exists.... so there's not really a rock solid "stable" KDE out there right now. One frustration off the top of my head with Gnome is the gnome-terminal. Mainly the interception of keyboard shortcuts that should be allowed to go to the application running inside of gnome-terminal rather than always going to the gnome-terminal itself (e.g. character based yast). KDE3's konsole is better... KDE4's konsole is a regression... but still better. You can search for other things... people love to war between Gnome and KDE. I HAVE to use both (my job). It's not that Gnome doesn't have some things that work better than KDE... but I do think it's probably 3 or 4 to 1 in favor of KDE. Best thing is to use both. Also, I think it's important to use KDE and Gnome under DIFFERENT OS implementations. Also, I find that people that are well pleased with their Gnome/KDE environments did a LOT of tweaking to get things to a "usable" state. I include myself in that, especially with regards to KDE4. KDE3 was almost perfect (in openSUSE) out of the box. |