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From: Darrell Stec on 20 Mar 2010 17:54 houghi wrote: > Darrell Stec wrote: >> Ha! I upgraded because I needed a different version of gqview to view a >> particular website. > > Which one and why? As far as I know I never had an image that I culd not > see. Also I do not use gqview to access sites directly. I leech them and > then look at the images. > U.S. Patent Office images. >>> Very rarely do I hear of people who run gqview under KDE or k3b under >>> GNOME. As if people think that is forbidden. >> >> While k3b is a default application during installation, I think the >> problem >> is different. I think for people coming from Windows they are simply not >> aware of the options they have. > > That is indeed the problem and in my opinion a great part of the fault > is the fact that KDE and GNOME (and XFCE) are treated as different kinds > of Linux programs. > >> I may be the exception but I probably have five or six CD/DVD >> manipulative programs, and the same number of graphics application, and >> even more programming development applications and web page design >> applications (an music and ....). > > SDame here and once you get away from what KDE or GNOME or XFCE or any > other want to force you to use, you suddenly have a HUGE amount of > programs you can try and use. > >> I think if the application is there in the menu, new Linux users will >> eventually get around to using them. I now I occasionally just run down >> the entire list of programs in the repositories just to find interesting >> stuff. Another part of the problem is that many people only have the >> three standard >> repositories. I have many more, but caution is needed when installing >> applications from other repositories. > > On the other hand it is not all bad. openSUSe has a great integration of > KDE and GNOME programs. Whwre I hear sometimes about problems when > installing a program. I have not heard that with openSUSe as long as it > is from the openSUSE repo. > > The best way to learn about programs is using YaST Software Manager in > "RPM Groups". > > Yup. That is where I sit and browse. Although I have to admit that about 25% of the stuff I don't have the foggiest idea what they are talking about. For instance all the Emacs related stuff. I never liked the program. It reminded me of going backwards to Wordperfect 1.0 key combinations. > houghi -- Later, Darrell
From: Darrell Stec on 20 Mar 2010 22:07 houghi wrote: > Darrell Stec wrote: >>>> Ha! I upgraded because I needed a different version of gqview to view >>>> a particular website. >>> >>> Which one and why? As far as I know I never had an image that I culd not >>> see. Also I do not use gqview to access sites directly. I leech them and >>> then look at the images. >> >> U.S. Patent Office images. > > Can you give me an example? > > houghi Any image of patents on that website. -- Later, Darrell
From: Paul J Gans on 21 Mar 2010 00:33 David Bolt <blacklist-me(a)davjam.org> wrote: >On Saturday 20 Mar 2010 01:49, while playing with a tin of spray paint, >Paul J Gans painted this mural: >> I'm certainly not adverse to learning a new interface. I've been >> learning new interfaces since 1955 when I first programmed a computer. >> No, that's not a typo. >> >> But I am adverse to a major change in what I have to do to configure >> the KDE 4 interface. Things are not where they used to be and >> some things don't (yet) work. >Stop thinking of KDE4 as an upgrade to KDE3. Think of is as a >completely different desktop that, in some respects, just happens to >look a lot like KDE3. >> I know that I will have to adapt to KDE 4. >You don't _have_ to adapt to KDE4. You can choose to use a different >desktop, and there are several others to choose from, or you can go >with KDE4. Same problem. I have to deal with what *was* working distribution. My basic point is that if openSUSE wants to be taken seriously by computer *users* it can't do this to them. Few here seem to get it. As a toy I'm perfectly happy having a new interface every release. But I'd then not be using openSUSE as if it was a real operating system. >> I am trying to delay >> that change and hoping that KDE 4 will mature in the interim. >I'm using KDE4.3.5 with 11.2. While I still miss some features of KDE3, >like media info in the properties dialogue box, it's minor. I tweaked >my desktops so they looked like my KDE3 desktop, although I never found >out how to add the application menus to the desktop. Not that it >matters to me now as I no longer want them. I've added a new >auto-hiding panel at the top of the screen that holds icons for all my >most used programs. And how much time did all that take you? And what did you gain in productivity as a result? >> And >> I am also doing something I've never had to do before. I'm >> setting up a separate machine to run 11.2 so I can play with KDE 4 >> without screwing up production that I have to do. >Why set up a separate machine when you can set up a virtual machine? I don't really want to play with virtualization on my production machine. >Regards, > David Bolt Thanks for your input, but I think that you have missed the point. Real operating systems don't introduce major changes in operations without *first* making sure that the new features work and that old users have a clear upgrade path. I very much want Linux taken seriously as an operating system. At the moment it can't be. -- --- Paul J. Gans
From: Paul J Gans on 21 Mar 2010 00:37 David Bolt <blacklist-me(a)davjam.org> wrote: >On Saturday 20 Mar 2010 02:01, while playing with a tin of spray paint, >Paul J Gans painted this mural: >> WLS <rafter22(a)verizonremove.net> wrote: >>>I don't recall ever wanting to keep a terminal window re-sized so can't >>>really comment on that. >> >> One of the neat things about KDE 3.5 is that if I center button >> click on the "fullsize" icon on the top right hand edge of the >> Konsole window, I get a screen that is as wide as it was before >> but runs from the top to the bottom of the screen. >Strangely enough, with KDE4.3.5, I get the same behaviour. David, don't do this. Here I was answering another question, which is why one might want to resize terminal windows. I *never* claimed that one could not do this with KDE 4.x. >> I prefer this for programming since I can see more code at once. >> It is also good for reading man pages. >I find that too. >> If one right clicks on the same icon I get one that is full screen >> wide but the same hight as before. >You see that comment I made about KDE4.3.5 having the same behaviour >when middle-button clicking the full screen icon? Well, guess what. >Right clicking on that same icon does the same thing in KDE4.3.5 as it >does in KDE3.5.9 and KDE3.5.10. >> This is good for displays of "top" >> or "mount" or any of a number of programs with wide output. >I generally don't like it quite so wide. Full screen, konsole is 271x68 >and that's just a touch too wide and makes it easier to lose track of >which line you're reading. Then again, I'm now using a 24" screen. Even >with a 20" screen, I'd still not use konsole with so wide a window. I >find that the present width of 131x68 is plenty wide enough. Oh yes. I find that reading on a computer is a whole 'nuther thing. I tend to keep to 70 or so characters and to use SHORT paragraphs so that the reader doesn't lose place. I've seen many a full screen of type with no breaks. I find that very hard to read. In stuff I do for publication, other rules apply since that will be read from a piece of paper. >Regards, > David Bolt -- --- Paul J. Gans
From: Paul J Gans on 21 Mar 2010 00:40
houghi <houghi(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote: >Paul J Gans wrote: >> I have only played with Gnome on a portable and I have not done >> anything serious with it. >> >> It is the realization that I may well be left high and dry >> that has led to my minor upset over this. >You do not like KDE. You do not like GNOME. As there is nothing else, >just use Windows. Thank you very much. I do like KDE. I do not like the switch from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4.x. Too much change with too little gain for the user. You see, in a real distro, the unix principle of minimum astonishment should still apply. The user's needs are very important. That doesn't mean that you can't change software or programming interfaces. It does mean that you can't expect your production users to beta test your stuff for you. You want to see linux as a major player on the desktop, then pay attention to the users. -- --- Paul J. Gans |