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From: Mike Jones on 29 Nov 2009 15:15 Responding to Dario Niedermann: > Mike Jones <Not(a)Arizona.Bay> wrote: > >> No. Use Nano, and make sure its a regular component. Its been around >> long enough to be a standard and does not take up any significant space >> on a distro disk. Its *NIX standard in operation, > > ROTFL. > >> and, most importantly, its almost a no-brainer to use. > > I'm sure your post was a no-brainer to write. Durr, say whuh? ;) -- *=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ *=( For all your UK news needs.
From: Mike Jones on 29 Nov 2009 15:19 Responding to Lew Pitcher: > On November 29, 2009 08:05, in alt.os.linux.slackware, Dario Niedermann > (M8R-cthw2f(a)spamherelots.com) wrote: > >> Lew Pitcher <lpitcher(a)teksavvy.com> wrote: >> >>> Vi is one of those Unixisms that Slackware maintains. >> >> As does the Single UNIX Specification. >> >> If it doesn't come with vi, it's not Unix. Or Unix-like. > > Agreed. And that's one of the best differences between Slackware and > most of the other Linux distributions: Slackware tends to stick closer > to the SUS and the configuration of "real" Unix systems than the other > distros do. This makes it easier (at the human level) to plug a > Slackware into an existing Unix shop than it does almost any other > distro. Which is also the reason I'm causing myself brain-pain and having another go at Vi. I'm working on a self-embedded mantra, "If its Slack, its like that for a good reason." Where's that paracetemol... Expect my "I-Hate-Vi.SurvivorsGuide" soon. ;\ -- *=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ *=( For all your UK news needs.
From: Mike Jones on 29 Nov 2009 15:29 Responding to Jim Diamond: > On 2009-11-28 at 07:24 AST, Mike Jones <Not(a)Arizona.Bay> wrote: > >> I think what I'm discovering here is that there is a phenomena >> something like a kind of selective application dislexia, and I (and a >> few others) have it regarding Vi. > > I'm sort of curious. Can you tell me what it is that you find so > difficult about vi? > > It is > (1) the fact that there are two modes, (2) the fact that there are > (keyboard) commands to delete/change > existing text, rather than using the mouse to do this, > (3) the fact that the commands are different than in other programs > you are familiar with, > (4) something else (what)? > > Just for the record, I'm not a vi fanatic, so please don't feel I am > being critical of your difficulties, but I am genuinely interested in > what they are. > > Thanks. > Jim Ok. Lets see now... There is always a problem or two learning a new way to do an old job. There is usually a "learning curve" experience while adopting and adapting to the new way of doing something. This is why the "migrating to *NIX" experience has a classic "steep learning curve", which is in fact simply the confusion cause by UN-learning the old (typically M$) way of even thinking about things. This kind of activity is usually fun for me, as I like exploring alternatives (love SLRN, athritis hates it), however, every now and then there is something that feels like running into a brick wall instead of just dropping a gear for a gradient. I have no real explaination for this yet. Vi is one such experience generator. I've read up on it, and on paper it looks fantastic. I've read other's experiences of it, and thought "Wow! I gotta get me one of those!" And then there is the face-against-the-bricks "moment of impact" as what I now call "Vim-lexia" hits. Its like some kind of blind-spot thing, writers block, or something. I do know that I'm not alone in this, so this must be something to do with Vi(m) itself too, and, obviously, as I suffer from "Vim-lexia" I'm not likely to figure it out any time soonish. Did that go anyway to answering your query? -- *=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ *=( For all your UK news needs.
From: Lew Pitcher on 29 Nov 2009 15:57 Mike Jones <Not(a)arizona.bay> trolled: > Responding to Aaron W. Hsu: > >> Why should I have to learn such strange keys? Why should I have to learn >> anything to use my computer and make it do things? It should just do >> what I want the way I want it right now! Then you should use a Mac. Or at least windoze. Linux is eliminated by your own logic. >> It's plenty usable for those who learn it. If you can't learn Vi, >> then you either are purposefully not learning, or you can't >> possible have the mental capacity to recover your system in that >> manner. I have never met anyone who couldn't learn Vi. No one. My >> grandmother can learn it, too. If you don't have time to learn vi, then you don't have time to learn linux. Buy a Mac or a PC with windoze. Did you notice that there is not a linux guy in the Mac ads? Why do you think that is? Is it because linux/unix is so old-fashioned that they can't gain a market share foothold even if they give it away... > This looks very much like a non-productive chop'n'run flame-bait > post, so I'll ignore it and assume you simply missed the key > points in a discourse that is now all but over and done with. We have made the inescably logical conclusions on this issue and there is nothing more to say other than the fact that Sylvain Robitaille is French Canadien. LewPitcher(a)LewPitcher.ca -- Official Website -->> http://lewpitcher.ca/ Something to look at: -->> http://www.emusclemag.com/ Lonely in Brampton? -->> http://gaypros.meetup.com/cities/ca/on/brampton/ Peel HIV/AIDS Network -->> http://www.phan.ca/home.html
From: Lew Pitcher on 29 Nov 2009 15:59
Mike Jones <Not(a)arizona.bay> trolled: > Responding to Glyn Millington: > > [...] >>>> Where is it wrong? >>> >>> The title page, to begin with. >>> >>> >> Twaddle - just to repeat in case some defenceless newcomer happens upon >> this thread, the Slackbook is a good source of basic information for >> those setting up and running Slackware. > > > This is true. It is indeed a very useful resource and recommended reading > for anybody just starting out with Slackware. Its even useful if you > think you know what you're doing. ;) The bigger point is that "anybody just starting out with slackware" is a null set if you are including only those with 3 digit IQs. Nobody in his or her right mind starts out with slackware. That's like taking your first airplane ride in Wilbur and Orville Wright's 1903 special... LewPitcher(a)LewPitcher.ca -- Official Website -->> http://lewpitcher.ca/ Something to look at: -->> http://www.emusclemag.com/ Lonely in Brampton? -->> http://gaypros.meetup.com/cities/ca/on/brampton/ Peel HIV/AIDS Network -->> http://www.phan.ca/home.html |