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From: Joerg on 21 May 2010 20:02 krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:03:23 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>> Joerg wrote: >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We already know that you use more electricity than I do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was >>>>>>>> here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to >>>>>>>> compare apples to apples here. >>>>>>> No, you could drain the pool and not use it. You could fill in the >>>>>>> hole, to give the dogs more room to play. It's your choice to have a >>>>>>> pool, just like it's mine to consolidate my driver collection to a >>>>>>> server, and use it to learn the software needed to run a server. It is >>>>>>> a tool that you choose not to learn how to use. I don't plan to stop >>>>>>> learning, till I'm dead. >>>>>>> >>>>>> You haven't been up here. It would cost a huge amount of money to get >>>>>> this much dirt up there. Realistically only by bucket and crane, costly >>>>>> permit to block the street way below, and so on. Plus I'd instantly >>>>>> destroy 10-20% of the home's market value. That would not be a very >>>>>> smart thing to do, no ROI to be had. >>>>> That doesn't stop you from draining it, and putting a cover over it. >>>>> >>>> And somebody falling in an me being sued. Oh yeah ... >>>> >>>> This pool is huge, and anything that remotely resembles a cover goes >>>> flying out here. >>> >>> Interesting. The covers I've seen can be walked on, right across a >>> pool. >>> >> You haven't seen our pool yet. It's freeform and huge: >> >> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/offview.jpg > > Very nice! BTW, you can walk on most covers, even the ones held in place with > water bags. It's not recommended, though, because if you do go in the cover > will close in around you. I certainly didn't attempt fate. > The deck railing is all new by now, looks much better. We had a floating cover but found that it doesn't last, it disintegrated on us. Lasted only two seasons. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joerg on 21 May 2010 20:04 Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>> Joerg wrote: >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We already know that you use more electricity than I do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was >>>>>>>> here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to >>>>>>>> compare apples to apples here. >>>>>>> No, you could drain the pool and not use it. You could fill in the >>>>>>> hole, to give the dogs more room to play. It's your choice to have a >>>>>>> pool, just like it's mine to consolidate my driver collection to a >>>>>>> server, and use it to learn the software needed to run a server. It is >>>>>>> a tool that you choose not to learn how to use. I don't plan to stop >>>>>>> learning, till I'm dead. >>>>>>> >>>>>> You haven't been up here. It would cost a huge amount of money to get >>>>>> this much dirt up there. Realistically only by bucket and crane, costly >>>>>> permit to block the street way below, and so on. Plus I'd instantly >>>>>> destroy 10-20% of the home's market value. That would not be a very >>>>>> smart thing to do, no ROI to be had. >>>>> That doesn't stop you from draining it, and putting a cover over it. >>>>> >>>> And somebody falling in an me being sued. Oh yeah ... >>>> >>>> This pool is huge, and anything that remotely resembles a cover goes >>>> flying out here. >>> >>> Interesting. The covers I've seen can be walked on, right across a >>> pool. >>> >> You haven't seen our pool yet. It's freeform and huge: >> >> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/offview.jpg > > > There are good covers for any size pool, if you are willing to pay > for quality. > Well, I don't have the bank account of the Rockefellers. We used to have a float cover but sun and chlorine bruised it badly and it was a pain to take at least half of it off so we could swim. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joerg on 21 May 2010 20:07 krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:11:16 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:38:31 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 06:32:57 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>>>> The best sort of mentoring is what some volunteer IEEE members do in >>>>>> South America. There, lots of people die from lung diseases because they >>>>>> read using kerosine lamps at night. So they install a few >>>>>> solar-battery-LED thingamagics in the first 2-3 huts while some of the >>>>>> more clever villagers look at how the work is done. Then, they hand the >>>>>> toolbox and the materials for the next dozen huts to the villagers. >>>>> But without food and clean water, reading is a luxury. >>>> Oh, they do have that. Even cerveza, or probably chicha (in Quechua). >>>> Those people have lived there and farmed that sparse and rough terrain >>>> for hundreds of year, but now they want to afford their kids some >>>> education (or maybe have to). They really eke out a meager living, far >>> >from what we are used to. The son of a couple from our church was down >>>> there on a long term technical mission, building stuff etc. He said the >>>> utmost in delicatessen when there is a really important feast was cooked >>>> chicken feet. He really had to get used to some things there. >>>> >>>> It's just that there is no electricity within whole swaths of >>>> countryside. Not one lone powerline crossing the mountain ranges. So >>>> those smoke-belching lanterns are their only affordable option. >>> Then these aren't the people (I think) JKK was talking about when he said: >>> >>> "Propping up overpopulation (more than the relevant economy can provide >>> for) strikes me as an error, and poor ethics." >>> >>> They seem to be surviving fine. >> >> People could, almost everywhere in the world. The main problems are >> unmanaged diseases (like HIV), poorly managed irrigation and farming, >> lack of education, socialist dictators, but foremost hardcore government >> corruption where 90+ percent of the population starve while a few >> percent live high on the hog. Plus, more lately, fundamentalists. > > Almost everywhere, agreed. The main issue is socialists, dictators, and > corruption. Without changing these huge issues, you're pissing up a rope. > If all this saves one person's life it was worth it, IMHO. >> Sometimes very small changes in one of the above can work wonders. You >> just can't fix a whole country. Our church, for example, concentrates on >> a small area in Kenia (called Kabimoi) and slowly people over there >> realize that there is indeed hope. > > My brother and SIL spent two years in Kenya, in the Peace Corps (and whatever > the Brit version is). Their problem was *our* governments. > > The idea that really caught my attention was the various "micro capitalism" > efforts. > Our group is from our church so they are largely left alone by governments. Well, not in all countries, of course, but at least over there. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joerg on 21 May 2010 20:09 Jim Thompson wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2010 19:48:43 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> Joerg wrote: >>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We already know that you use more electricity than I do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was >>>>>>>>> here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to >>>>>>>>> compare apples to apples here. >>>>>>>> No, you could drain the pool and not use it. You could fill in the >>>>>>>> hole, to give the dogs more room to play. It's your choice to have a >>>>>>>> pool, just like it's mine to consolidate my driver collection to a >>>>>>>> server, and use it to learn the software needed to run a server. It is >>>>>>>> a tool that you choose not to learn how to use. I don't plan to stop >>>>>>>> learning, till I'm dead. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> You haven't been up here. It would cost a huge amount of money to get >>>>>>> this much dirt up there. Realistically only by bucket and crane, costly >>>>>>> permit to block the street way below, and so on. Plus I'd instantly >>>>>>> destroy 10-20% of the home's market value. That would not be a very >>>>>>> smart thing to do, no ROI to be had. >>>>>> That doesn't stop you from draining it, and putting a cover over it. >>>>>> >>>>> And somebody falling in an me being sued. Oh yeah ... >>>>> >>>>> This pool is huge, and anything that remotely resembles a cover goes >>>>> flying out here. >>>> >>>> Interesting. The covers I've seen can be walked on, right across a >>>> pool. >>>> >>> You haven't seen our pool yet. It's freeform and huge: >>> >>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/offview.jpg >> >> There are good covers for any size pool, if you are willing to pay >> for quality. > > Yep. I've contemplated a powered one that forms a usable deck. > Ah, I see. You invite folks from this here NG and seat the not so nice fellahs on that "usable deck", then go inside and press magic button ... *SPLOSH* :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Charlie E. on 21 May 2010 20:19
On Fri, 21 May 2010 17:02:44 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: <snip> > >The deck railing is all new by now, looks much better. We had a floating >cover but found that it doesn't last, it disintegrated on us. Lasted >only two seasons. We use a floating cover, too, and just assume that, no matter how good a one you buy, it will only last one year. We just put the new one one a month ago. Three times I have had to go out and put it back on the pool after it blew off. I think we are going to buy some velcro, and try that to hold it on in a couple of spots... Charlie |