From: Joerg on
krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
> On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:03:23 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We already know that you use more electricity than I do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was
>>>>>>>> here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to
>>>>>>>> compare apples to apples here.
>>>>>>> No, you could drain the pool and not use it. You could fill in the
>>>>>>> hole, to give the dogs more room to play. It's your choice to have a
>>>>>>> pool, just like it's mine to consolidate my driver collection to a
>>>>>>> server, and use it to learn the software needed to run a server. It is
>>>>>>> a tool that you choose not to learn how to use. I don't plan to stop
>>>>>>> learning, till I'm dead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You haven't been up here. It would cost a huge amount of money to get
>>>>>> this much dirt up there. Realistically only by bucket and crane, costly
>>>>>> permit to block the street way below, and so on. Plus I'd instantly
>>>>>> destroy 10-20% of the home's market value. That would not be a very
>>>>>> smart thing to do, no ROI to be had.
>>>>> That doesn't stop you from draining it, and putting a cover over it.
>>>>>
>>>> And somebody falling in an me being sued. Oh yeah ...
>>>>
>>>> This pool is huge, and anything that remotely resembles a cover goes
>>>> flying out here.
>>>
>>> Interesting. The covers I've seen can be walked on, right across a
>>> pool.
>>>
>> You haven't seen our pool yet. It's freeform and huge:
>>
>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/offview.jpg
>
> Very nice! BTW, you can walk on most covers, even the ones held in place with
> water bags. It's not recommended, though, because if you do go in the cover
> will close in around you. I certainly didn't attempt fate.
>

The deck railing is all new by now, looks much better. We had a floating
cover but found that it doesn't last, it disintegrated on us. Lasted
only two seasons.

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From: Joerg on
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We already know that you use more electricity than I do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was
>>>>>>>> here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to
>>>>>>>> compare apples to apples here.
>>>>>>> No, you could drain the pool and not use it. You could fill in the
>>>>>>> hole, to give the dogs more room to play. It's your choice to have a
>>>>>>> pool, just like it's mine to consolidate my driver collection to a
>>>>>>> server, and use it to learn the software needed to run a server. It is
>>>>>>> a tool that you choose not to learn how to use. I don't plan to stop
>>>>>>> learning, till I'm dead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You haven't been up here. It would cost a huge amount of money to get
>>>>>> this much dirt up there. Realistically only by bucket and crane, costly
>>>>>> permit to block the street way below, and so on. Plus I'd instantly
>>>>>> destroy 10-20% of the home's market value. That would not be a very
>>>>>> smart thing to do, no ROI to be had.
>>>>> That doesn't stop you from draining it, and putting a cover over it.
>>>>>
>>>> And somebody falling in an me being sued. Oh yeah ...
>>>>
>>>> This pool is huge, and anything that remotely resembles a cover goes
>>>> flying out here.
>>>
>>> Interesting. The covers I've seen can be walked on, right across a
>>> pool.
>>>
>> You haven't seen our pool yet. It's freeform and huge:
>>
>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/offview.jpg
>
>
> There are good covers for any size pool, if you are willing to pay
> for quality.
>

Well, I don't have the bank account of the Rockefellers. We used to have
a float cover but sun and chlorine bruised it badly and it was a pain to
take at least half of it off so we could swim.

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From: Joerg on
krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
> On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:11:16 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:38:31 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 06:32:57 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>>> The best sort of mentoring is what some volunteer IEEE members do in
>>>>>> South America. There, lots of people die from lung diseases because they
>>>>>> read using kerosine lamps at night. So they install a few
>>>>>> solar-battery-LED thingamagics in the first 2-3 huts while some of the
>>>>>> more clever villagers look at how the work is done. Then, they hand the
>>>>>> toolbox and the materials for the next dozen huts to the villagers.
>>>>> But without food and clean water, reading is a luxury.
>>>> Oh, they do have that. Even cerveza, or probably chicha (in Quechua).
>>>> Those people have lived there and farmed that sparse and rough terrain
>>>> for hundreds of year, but now they want to afford their kids some
>>>> education (or maybe have to). They really eke out a meager living, far
>>> >from what we are used to. The son of a couple from our church was down
>>>> there on a long term technical mission, building stuff etc. He said the
>>>> utmost in delicatessen when there is a really important feast was cooked
>>>> chicken feet. He really had to get used to some things there.
>>>>
>>>> It's just that there is no electricity within whole swaths of
>>>> countryside. Not one lone powerline crossing the mountain ranges. So
>>>> those smoke-belching lanterns are their only affordable option.
>>> Then these aren't the people (I think) JKK was talking about when he said:
>>>
>>> "Propping up overpopulation (more than the relevant economy can provide
>>> for) strikes me as an error, and poor ethics."
>>>
>>> They seem to be surviving fine.
>>
>> People could, almost everywhere in the world. The main problems are
>> unmanaged diseases (like HIV), poorly managed irrigation and farming,
>> lack of education, socialist dictators, but foremost hardcore government
>> corruption where 90+ percent of the population starve while a few
>> percent live high on the hog. Plus, more lately, fundamentalists.
>
> Almost everywhere, agreed. The main issue is socialists, dictators, and
> corruption. Without changing these huge issues, you're pissing up a rope.
>

If all this saves one person's life it was worth it, IMHO.


>> Sometimes very small changes in one of the above can work wonders. You
>> just can't fix a whole country. Our church, for example, concentrates on
>> a small area in Kenia (called Kabimoi) and slowly people over there
>> realize that there is indeed hope.
>
> My brother and SIL spent two years in Kenya, in the Peace Corps (and whatever
> the Brit version is). Their problem was *our* governments.
>
> The idea that really caught my attention was the various "micro capitalism"
> efforts.
>

Our group is from our church so they are largely left alone by
governments. Well, not in all countries, of course, but at least over there.

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From: Joerg on
Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Fri, 21 May 2010 19:48:43 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Joerg wrote:
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We already know that you use more electricity than I do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was
>>>>>>>>> here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to
>>>>>>>>> compare apples to apples here.
>>>>>>>> No, you could drain the pool and not use it. You could fill in the
>>>>>>>> hole, to give the dogs more room to play. It's your choice to have a
>>>>>>>> pool, just like it's mine to consolidate my driver collection to a
>>>>>>>> server, and use it to learn the software needed to run a server. It is
>>>>>>>> a tool that you choose not to learn how to use. I don't plan to stop
>>>>>>>> learning, till I'm dead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You haven't been up here. It would cost a huge amount of money to get
>>>>>>> this much dirt up there. Realistically only by bucket and crane, costly
>>>>>>> permit to block the street way below, and so on. Plus I'd instantly
>>>>>>> destroy 10-20% of the home's market value. That would not be a very
>>>>>>> smart thing to do, no ROI to be had.
>>>>>> That doesn't stop you from draining it, and putting a cover over it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> And somebody falling in an me being sued. Oh yeah ...
>>>>>
>>>>> This pool is huge, and anything that remotely resembles a cover goes
>>>>> flying out here.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting. The covers I've seen can be walked on, right across a
>>>> pool.
>>>>
>>> You haven't seen our pool yet. It's freeform and huge:
>>>
>>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/offview.jpg
>>
>> There are good covers for any size pool, if you are willing to pay
>> for quality.
>
> Yep. I've contemplated a powered one that forms a usable deck.
>

Ah, I see. You invite folks from this here NG and seat the not so nice
fellahs on that "usable deck", then go inside and press magic button ...
*SPLOSH* :-)

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From: Charlie E. on
On Fri, 21 May 2010 17:02:44 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
wrote:

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>
>The deck railing is all new by now, looks much better. We had a floating
>cover but found that it doesn't last, it disintegrated on us. Lasted
>only two seasons.

We use a floating cover, too, and just assume that, no matter how good
a one you buy, it will only last one year. We just put the new one
one a month ago. Three times I have had to go out and put it back on
the pool after it blew off. I think we are going to buy some velcro,
and try that to hold it on in a couple of spots...

Charlie