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From: krw on 21 May 2010 23:16 On Fri, 21 May 2010 18:16:54 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Joel Koltner wrote: >> "Joerg" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >> news:85oo1sFc1aU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> Also, continually throwing away covers ain't so nice from an >>> environmental point of view. >> >> Some manufacuterer who makes cheap covers that only last a year will >> begin labeling them as being "green" -- "biodegrades within a couple of >> years, good for the environment!" >> > >Yeah, that would be something. Timer -> the year is up -> pool cover >vanishes in front of your eyes :-) The "timer" is otherwise known as a "warranty".
From: Michael A. Terrell on 21 May 2010 23:52 "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > > > Pools have to be inside a locked fence around here. > > Inground pools do pretty much everywhere. That doesn't remove all liability, > though. Remember Joerg is in Kalifornia. It's against the law to breath in Kalifornia, and Kalifornia is known to cause cancer in every living thing. :( -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: krw on 22 May 2010 01:12 On Fri, 21 May 2010 23:52:50 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >"krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote: >> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> > >> > Pools have to be inside a locked fence around here. >> >> Inground pools do pretty much everywhere. That doesn't remove all liability, >> though. Remember Joerg is in Kalifornia. > > > It's against the law to breath in Kalifornia, and Kalifornia is known >to cause cancer in every living thing. :( Kalifornia is just the furthest down the sewer. All are in the same sewer, some closer than others.
From: Joerg on 22 May 2010 11:23 krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2010 17:07:55 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:11:16 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:38:31 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 06:32:57 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>>>> The best sort of mentoring is what some volunteer IEEE members do in >>>>>>>> South America. There, lots of people die from lung diseases because they >>>>>>>> read using kerosine lamps at night. So they install a few >>>>>>>> solar-battery-LED thingamagics in the first 2-3 huts while some of the >>>>>>>> more clever villagers look at how the work is done. Then, they hand the >>>>>>>> toolbox and the materials for the next dozen huts to the villagers. >>>>>>> But without food and clean water, reading is a luxury. >>>>>> Oh, they do have that. Even cerveza, or probably chicha (in Quechua). >>>>>> Those people have lived there and farmed that sparse and rough terrain >>>>>> for hundreds of year, but now they want to afford their kids some >>>>>> education (or maybe have to). They really eke out a meager living, far >>>>> >from what we are used to. The son of a couple from our church was down >>>>>> there on a long term technical mission, building stuff etc. He said the >>>>>> utmost in delicatessen when there is a really important feast was cooked >>>>>> chicken feet. He really had to get used to some things there. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's just that there is no electricity within whole swaths of >>>>>> countryside. Not one lone powerline crossing the mountain ranges. So >>>>>> those smoke-belching lanterns are their only affordable option. >>>>> Then these aren't the people (I think) JKK was talking about when he said: >>>>> >>>>> "Propping up overpopulation (more than the relevant economy can provide >>>>> for) strikes me as an error, and poor ethics." >>>>> >>>>> They seem to be surviving fine. >>>> People could, almost everywhere in the world. The main problems are >>>> unmanaged diseases (like HIV), poorly managed irrigation and farming, >>>> lack of education, socialist dictators, but foremost hardcore government >>>> corruption where 90+ percent of the population starve while a few >>>> percent live high on the hog. Plus, more lately, fundamentalists. >>> Almost everywhere, agreed. The main issue is socialists, dictators, and >>> corruption. Without changing these huge issues, you're pissing up a rope. >>> >> If all this saves one person's life it was worth it, IMHO. > > Even if it kills ten more? > Our help? It never did that. But it does help give people with HIV over there purpose and later a dignified death, not somewhere alone in the streets. [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joerg on 22 May 2010 11:26
Dave Platt wrote: > In article <85opv1Fl1oU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > Joerg <news(a)analogconsultants.com> wrote: > >>> "Floating cover"? We had a "solar blanket" (heavy duty packing material) for >>> about ten years. ... >> >> I think that's what ours was called. Looked like blue bubble wrap. When >> it lost its "blueishness" it began to flake stuff into the pool. > > Yeah, we use one like that. Or, rather, we use one of those every 2-3 > years... that's about all they're good for, in practice. The > "warranty" is for five years, but it's voided if you expose them to > more than about 1 PPM of chlorine in the pool water. I considered > switching to one of the non-chlorine systems to preserve the cover, > but the most popular one (Bacquil) isn't compatible with roof-mounted > solar pool heating systems as it'll generate massive amounts of > foaming and bubbline. > 1ppm? That's a joke. I don't call that a meaningful warrant. "Your tires are guaranteed 60,000 miles but only if never used on a freeway". > The guy at the store recently admitted that nobody gets five years out > of these things, because you can't keep a pool properly and > consistently sanitized with such a low free-chlorine level. This > seems to be especially true at the higher water temperatures that > these covers are intended to provide... we run our pool near the > cover's rated upper temperature limit of 90 F (my wife likes to swim > in soup... it's so warm I start overheating if I swim fast laps). > Hmm, mine too. Maybe all women are the same in that respect. > I just consider the cost of the covers to be part of the ongoing > expense of operating the pool. They add a couple of months a year to > the swimming season. > We gave up on it. Too messy. Plus we have high winds. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM. |