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From: krw on 21 May 2010 19:02 On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:11:16 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >> On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:38:31 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 06:32:57 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>> [...] >>> >>>>> The best sort of mentoring is what some volunteer IEEE members do in >>>>> South America. There, lots of people die from lung diseases because they >>>>> read using kerosine lamps at night. So they install a few >>>>> solar-battery-LED thingamagics in the first 2-3 huts while some of the >>>>> more clever villagers look at how the work is done. Then, they hand the >>>>> toolbox and the materials for the next dozen huts to the villagers. >>>> But without food and clean water, reading is a luxury. >>> >>> Oh, they do have that. Even cerveza, or probably chicha (in Quechua). >>> Those people have lived there and farmed that sparse and rough terrain >>> for hundreds of year, but now they want to afford their kids some >>> education (or maybe have to). They really eke out a meager living, far >>>from what we are used to. The son of a couple from our church was down >>> there on a long term technical mission, building stuff etc. He said the >>> utmost in delicatessen when there is a really important feast was cooked >>> chicken feet. He really had to get used to some things there. >>> >>> It's just that there is no electricity within whole swaths of >>> countryside. Not one lone powerline crossing the mountain ranges. So >>> those smoke-belching lanterns are their only affordable option. >> >> Then these aren't the people (I think) JKK was talking about when he said: >> >> "Propping up overpopulation (more than the relevant economy can provide >> for) strikes me as an error, and poor ethics." >> >> They seem to be surviving fine. > > >People could, almost everywhere in the world. The main problems are >unmanaged diseases (like HIV), poorly managed irrigation and farming, >lack of education, socialist dictators, but foremost hardcore government >corruption where 90+ percent of the population starve while a few >percent live high on the hog. Plus, more lately, fundamentalists. Almost everywhere, agreed. The main issue is socialists, dictators, and corruption. Without changing these huge issues, you're pissing up a rope. >Sometimes very small changes in one of the above can work wonders. You >just can't fix a whole country. Our church, for example, concentrates on >a small area in Kenia (called Kabimoi) and slowly people over there >realize that there is indeed hope. My brother and SIL spent two years in Kenya, in the Peace Corps (and whatever the Brit version is). Their problem was *our* governments. The idea that really caught my attention was the various "micro capitalism" efforts.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 21 May 2010 19:47 Joerg wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Jim Thompson wrote: > >> On Thu, 20 May 2010 15:17:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> > >>> Joerg wrote: > >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>>>> Joerg wrote: > >>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>>> [...] > >>>> > >>>>>>> We already know that you use more electricity than I do. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was > >>>>>> here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to > >>>>>> compare apples to apples here. > >>>>> > >>>>> No, you could drain the pool and not use it. You could fill in the > >>>>> hole, to give the dogs more room to play. It's your choice to have a > >>>>> pool, just like it's mine to consolidate my driver collection to a > >>>>> server, and use it to learn the software needed to run a server. It is > >>>>> a tool that you choose not to learn how to use. I don't plan to stop > >>>>> learning, till I'm dead. > >>>>> > >>>> You haven't been up here. It would cost a huge amount of money to get > >>>> this much dirt up there. Realistically only by bucket and crane, costly > >>>> permit to block the street way below, and so on. Plus I'd instantly > >>>> destroy 10-20% of the home's market value. That would not be a very > >>>> smart thing to do, no ROI to be had. > >>> > >>> That doesn't stop you from draining it, and putting a cover over it. > >> Probably the same thing that happens in Florida when you leave it > >> drained... the water table pushes it out of the ground. > > > > > > Heh. Why do you think most pools are ABOVE ground around here? > > That, and hurricanes. It takes too long to drain a below ground pool to > > prep it for a hurricane. :) > > > > Why would you drain it for hurricane preparation? You've never been through a hurricane. What happens to your pool if you can't use the pump & filter for a month or more? Do you want to deal with tons of leaves & small branches, dead bugs & mildew when the power is restored? -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 21 May 2010 19:48 Joerg wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Joerg wrote: > >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>> Joerg wrote: > >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>>>> Joerg wrote: > >>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>>> [...] > >>>> > >>>>>>> We already know that you use more electricity than I do. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was > >>>>>> here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to > >>>>>> compare apples to apples here. > >>>>> No, you could drain the pool and not use it. You could fill in the > >>>>> hole, to give the dogs more room to play. It's your choice to have a > >>>>> pool, just like it's mine to consolidate my driver collection to a > >>>>> server, and use it to learn the software needed to run a server. It is > >>>>> a tool that you choose not to learn how to use. I don't plan to stop > >>>>> learning, till I'm dead. > >>>>> > >>>> You haven't been up here. It would cost a huge amount of money to get > >>>> this much dirt up there. Realistically only by bucket and crane, costly > >>>> permit to block the street way below, and so on. Plus I'd instantly > >>>> destroy 10-20% of the home's market value. That would not be a very > >>>> smart thing to do, no ROI to be had. > >>> > >>> That doesn't stop you from draining it, and putting a cover over it. > >>> > >> And somebody falling in an me being sued. Oh yeah ... > >> > >> This pool is huge, and anything that remotely resembles a cover goes > >> flying out here. > > > > > > Interesting. The covers I've seen can be walked on, right across a > > pool. > > > > You haven't seen our pool yet. It's freeform and huge: > > http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/offview.jpg There are good covers for any size pool, if you are willing to pay for quality. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: Jim Thompson on 21 May 2010 19:53 On Fri, 21 May 2010 19:48:43 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >Joerg wrote: >> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> > Joerg wrote: >> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> >>> Joerg wrote: >> >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> >>>>> Joerg wrote: >> >>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> >>>> [...] >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> We already know that you use more electricity than I do. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was >> >>>>>> here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to >> >>>>>> compare apples to apples here. >> >>>>> No, you could drain the pool and not use it. You could fill in the >> >>>>> hole, to give the dogs more room to play. It's your choice to have a >> >>>>> pool, just like it's mine to consolidate my driver collection to a >> >>>>> server, and use it to learn the software needed to run a server. It is >> >>>>> a tool that you choose not to learn how to use. I don't plan to stop >> >>>>> learning, till I'm dead. >> >>>>> >> >>>> You haven't been up here. It would cost a huge amount of money to get >> >>>> this much dirt up there. Realistically only by bucket and crane, costly >> >>>> permit to block the street way below, and so on. Plus I'd instantly >> >>>> destroy 10-20% of the home's market value. That would not be a very >> >>>> smart thing to do, no ROI to be had. >> >>> >> >>> That doesn't stop you from draining it, and putting a cover over it. >> >>> >> >> And somebody falling in an me being sued. Oh yeah ... >> >> >> >> This pool is huge, and anything that remotely resembles a cover goes >> >> flying out here. >> > >> > >> > Interesting. The covers I've seen can be walked on, right across a >> > pool. >> > >> >> You haven't seen our pool yet. It's freeform and huge: >> >> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/offview.jpg > > > There are good covers for any size pool, if you are willing to pay >for quality. Yep. I've contemplated a powered one that forms a usable deck. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy
From: Joerg on 21 May 2010 20:01
Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> On Thu, 20 May 2010 15:17:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >>>> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We already know that you use more electricity than I do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was >>>>>>>> here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to >>>>>>>> compare apples to apples here. >>>>>>> No, you could drain the pool and not use it. You could fill in the >>>>>>> hole, to give the dogs more room to play. It's your choice to have a >>>>>>> pool, just like it's mine to consolidate my driver collection to a >>>>>>> server, and use it to learn the software needed to run a server. It is >>>>>>> a tool that you choose not to learn how to use. I don't plan to stop >>>>>>> learning, till I'm dead. >>>>>>> >>>>>> You haven't been up here. It would cost a huge amount of money to get >>>>>> this much dirt up there. Realistically only by bucket and crane, costly >>>>>> permit to block the street way below, and so on. Plus I'd instantly >>>>>> destroy 10-20% of the home's market value. That would not be a very >>>>>> smart thing to do, no ROI to be had. >>>>> That doesn't stop you from draining it, and putting a cover over it. >>>> Probably the same thing that happens in Florida when you leave it >>>> drained... the water table pushes it out of the ground. >>> >>> Heh. Why do you think most pools are ABOVE ground around here? >>> That, and hurricanes. It takes too long to drain a below ground pool to >>> prep it for a hurricane. :) >>> >> Why would you drain it for hurricane preparation? > > > You've never been through a hurricane. What happens to your pool if > you can't use the pump & filter for a month or more? Do you want to > deal with tons of leaves & small branches, dead bugs & mildew when the > power is restored? > No, we don't have hurricanes. But fierce winds at times. Then I have to do the dreaded job and fish it all out. Pretty intersting stuff in there. If the filter doesn't run and you don't have a generator (one should in your area) I guess the only option is to go heavy on the chlorine. An emptied pool out here could cause an insurance issue (gross negligence). -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM. |