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From: Michael A. Terrell on 19 May 2010 20:05 Joerg wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > > > By your sick logic, you and your wife should be using an original > > five slot IBM PC with 64 kB of RAM and a cassette drive instead of > > multiple computers. After all, it only had a 63 Watt power supply since > > it draws less than what you're using now. > > > > Nothing sick about my logic. You need to remember that time has > progressed. A li'l box can nowadays do a lot more than you think. Case > in point is my Samsung NC-10 computer. It runs a whopping eight (!) > hours on a 11.1V 4.4Ah LiIon battery. Word processing, Internet, > database, spreadsheets, schematic design. > > And most of the time I even have the WLAN on which consumes significant > power. You can do those jobs with it, but it's still limited in function. You claim that a server will use more than the rated power. This computer has a 250 Watt power supply. It is on 24/7 which would be 186 kWh if it used the full 250 watts at all times. That would only be $21.38 a month which is less than half of the costs for broadband internet. You blow a hell of a lot more on your poll and beer. Computers is one of my hobbies, so it's really none of your business. > > You do, if you have a big enough load. Either buying, or selling. > > Try supplying a restaurant with a bicycle. > > > > I continually juggle 3-4 designs/debugs for clients, concurrently. Not a > problem at all. Changing topics midstream, because you have no valid argument. How much power does each of your computers use? Each printer? We already know that you use more electricity than I do. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: Joerg on 19 May 2010 20:21 Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>> By your sick logic, you and your wife should be using an original >>> five slot IBM PC with 64 kB of RAM and a cassette drive instead of >>> multiple computers. After all, it only had a 63 Watt power supply since >>> it draws less than what you're using now. >>> >> Nothing sick about my logic. You need to remember that time has >> progressed. A li'l box can nowadays do a lot more than you think. Case >> in point is my Samsung NC-10 computer. It runs a whopping eight (!) >> hours on a 11.1V 4.4Ah LiIon battery. Word processing, Internet, >> database, spreadsheets, schematic design. >> >> And most of the time I even have the WLAN on which consumes significant >> power. > > > You can do those jobs with it, but it's still limited in function. > You claim that a server will use more than the rated power. This > computer has a 250 Watt power supply. It is on 24/7 which would be 186 > kWh if it used the full 250 watts at all times. That would only be > $21.38 a month which is less than half of the costs for broadband > internet. I never claimed it used above rated power, just gave an example of a server (since you said you didn't have yours yet). > > You blow a hell of a lot more on your poll and beer. Computers is > one of my hobbies, so it's really none of your business. > Computers are part of my business. Always have been. But certainly not my hobby. > >>> You do, if you have a big enough load. Either buying, or selling. >>> Try supplying a restaurant with a bicycle. >>> >> I continually juggle 3-4 designs/debugs for clients, concurrently. Not a >> problem at all. > > > Changing topics midstream, because you have no valid argument. ... No, it's you snipping so much that you don't know what I was answering to. I meant that this little server does 100% of the stuff I want from it in my business. No more and no less. > How > much power does each of your computers use? Each printer? ... Desktop 50-60W, on heavy Spice sims more. The monitor is a hog at around 70-80W because it's a Trinitron, need that for CAD. But the run-of-the-mills stuff is done on laptops. The Samsung burns about 6W, the others around 15W. Printers I don't know, they are off almost all day long so they won't even show on the radar screen. > We already know that you use more electricity than I do. > Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to compare apples to apples here. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 20 May 2010 00:50 Joerg wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Joerg wrote: > >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>> By your sick logic, you and your wife should be using an original > >>> five slot IBM PC with 64 kB of RAM and a cassette drive instead of > >>> multiple computers. After all, it only had a 63 Watt power supply since > >>> it draws less than what you're using now. > >>> > >> Nothing sick about my logic. You need to remember that time has > >> progressed. A li'l box can nowadays do a lot more than you think. Case > >> in point is my Samsung NC-10 computer. It runs a whopping eight (!) > >> hours on a 11.1V 4.4Ah LiIon battery. Word processing, Internet, > >> database, spreadsheets, schematic design. > >> > >> And most of the time I even have the WLAN on which consumes significant > >> power. > > > > > > You can do those jobs with it, but it's still limited in function. > > You claim that a server will use more than the rated power. This > > computer has a 250 Watt power supply. It is on 24/7 which would be 186 > > kWh if it used the full 250 watts at all times. That would only be > > $21.38 a month which is less than half of the costs for broadband > > internet. > > I never claimed it used above rated power, just gave an example of a > server (since you said you didn't have yours yet). I had already posted links to several servers that used 325 watts, or close to that. > > You blow a hell of a lot more on your poll and beer. Computers is > > one of my hobbies, so it's really none of your business. > > > > Computers are part of my business. Always have been. But certainly not > my hobby. It was my business, too, till the VA decided that I am not allowed to work anymore. > >>> You do, if you have a big enough load. Either buying, or selling. > >>> Try supplying a restaurant with a bicycle. > >>> > >> I continually juggle 3-4 designs/debugs for clients, concurrently. Not a > >> problem at all. > > > > > > Changing topics midstream, because you have no valid argument. ... > > No, it's you snipping so much that you don't know what I was answering > to. I snipped it after you changed the subject, since it was no longer relevant. > I meant that this little server does 100% of the stuff I want from > it in my business. No more and no less. It's not a server . It's a NAS. > > How > > much power does each of your computers use? Each printer? ... > > Desktop 50-60W, on heavy Spice sims more. The monitor is a hog at around > 70-80W because it's a Trinitron, need that for CAD. But the > run-of-the-mills stuff is done on laptops. The Samsung burns about 6W, > the others around 15W. Printers I don't know, they are off almost all > day long so they won't even show on the radar screen. I generally have one computer on, one monitor, the cable modem and the router. My Wattmeter is buried in a pile of things stuffed into a small storeroom out in the shop with most of my other test equipment till the rest of the roof is repaired. > > We already know that you use more electricity than I do. > > > > Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was > here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to > compare apples to apples here. No, you could drain the pool and not use it. You could fill in the hole, to give the dogs more room to play. It's your choice to have a pool, just like it's mine to consolidate my driver collection to a server, and use it to learn the software needed to run a server. It is a tool that you choose not to learn how to use. I don't plan to stop learning, till I'm dead. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: Joerg on 20 May 2010 10:00 Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: [...] >>> We already know that you use more electricity than I do. >>> >> Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was >> here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to >> compare apples to apples here. > > > No, you could drain the pool and not use it. You could fill in the > hole, to give the dogs more room to play. It's your choice to have a > pool, just like it's mine to consolidate my driver collection to a > server, and use it to learn the software needed to run a server. It is > a tool that you choose not to learn how to use. I don't plan to stop > learning, till I'm dead. > You haven't been up here. It would cost a huge amount of money to get this much dirt up there. Realistically only by bucket and crane, costly permit to block the street way below, and so on. Plus I'd instantly destroy 10-20% of the home's market value. That would not be a very smart thing to do, no ROI to be had. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 20 May 2010 15:17
Joerg wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Joerg wrote: > >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > [...] > > >>> We already know that you use more electricity than I do. > >>> > >> Read it again. I said we run pool pumps. Have to, because the pool was > >> here when we bought the house. Then perimeter lighting etc. You need to > >> compare apples to apples here. > > > > > > No, you could drain the pool and not use it. You could fill in the > > hole, to give the dogs more room to play. It's your choice to have a > > pool, just like it's mine to consolidate my driver collection to a > > server, and use it to learn the software needed to run a server. It is > > a tool that you choose not to learn how to use. I don't plan to stop > > learning, till I'm dead. > > > > You haven't been up here. It would cost a huge amount of money to get > this much dirt up there. Realistically only by bucket and crane, costly > permit to block the street way below, and so on. Plus I'd instantly > destroy 10-20% of the home's market value. That would not be a very > smart thing to do, no ROI to be had. That doesn't stop you from draining it, and putting a cover over it. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |