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From: Richard Tobin on 26 Jan 2010 19:08 In article <7s90duFjkcU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: >> I've read that more people go to the opera each week than to football >> matches. >Seems somehow unlikely. Is that worldwide? I read it in a newspaper years ago. It's probably false. Perhaps they measured it in the summer. >I hear people talking about football matches at work though, I don't >recall ever hearing anyone talk about an opera. It depends where you work. I don't often hear either. -- Richard -- Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.
From: Woody on 26 Jan 2010 19:52 Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > On 26/01/2010 20:08, Woody wrote: > > On 26/01/2010 20:13, Richard Tobin wrote: > >> In > >> article<1jcxy61.is9qv5ild62qN%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid>, > >> > >> Rowland McDonnell<real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > >> > >>>> It wasn't an album cover, it's a famous Magritte painting. > >> > >>> Looks like it should have been an album cover. > >> > >> A quick Google suggests that it's one of the few Magritte paintings > >> that hasn't been used as an album cover. > >> > >>> Famous, eh? I suspect > >>> more people have heard of Manchester Utd than have heard of Magritte, > >> > >> I've read that more people go to the opera each week than to football > >> matches. > > > > Seems somehow unlikely. Is that worldwide? > > > > If so, why is the opera subsidised in this country, and football clubs > > raking in large sums of money? Bad management? > > Not obvious that it is, except perhaps Covent Garden. > > > I hear people talking about football matches at work though, I don't > > recall ever hearing anyone talk about an opera. > > You don't talk to enough people then. I don't talk to people about either football or opera, but through my working life I have met a large number of people who talk about and presumably at some point go to football matches. Can't avoid them. I can count on one hand the amount of people who I have ever heard say went to operas. > All sorts of surprising people go > to operas. But I think many people expect that only snobs or toffs go, > and that the tickets cost �200. Me, I go in the hope that one day I'll > come across some snobs or toffs at the opera, but I've been disappointed > for the last 30 years. Not a great fan of opera. In that I don't much like it at all. Will happily go to most classical music events, as long as they promise to not have singing! -- Woody www.alienrat.com
From: James Dore on 27 Jan 2010 04:10 On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:08:27 -0000, Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > >> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: >> >> > > > What use was a `help' key back in the ADB days? And what on >> Earth could >> > > > have the `ins' key have been used for then? >> > > >> > > My ADB keyboard ('AppleDesign Keyboard' model M2980) has one as >> well. >> > >> > Yeahbut: what for? >> >> Pressing? >> >> No, but seriously, I have no idea. I've wondered the same thing myself >> on occasion. > > Oh good. > > It's not just me then. No, I'll join you in that, except I dimly recall that it used to activate balloon help, or at least turned the cursor into the ? from the arrow - so the next thing you clicked on you got help for. Cheers -- James Dore New College IT Officer james.dore(a)new / it-support(a)new
From: Peter Ceresole on 27 Jan 2010 04:48 James Dore <james.dore(a)new.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > No, I'll join you in that, except I dimly recall that it used to activate > balloon help, or at least turned the cursor into the ? from the arrow - so > the next thing you clicked on you got help for. Using a Matias Tactilepro, which as you say has the Ins/help key, in 10.4.11, yesterday I pressed the key and got the question mark cursor. However, I'd forgotten (if I ever knew- I never used that key in the Classic OS, either) what to do with it, and reverted to the standard arrow cursor. Just tried again this morning, and the cursor won't change. -- Peter
From: Rowland McDonnell on 27 Jan 2010 11:21
David Empson <dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: [snip] > > And in the Macintosh manual - the one published by Apple. > > I assume you are talking about the original Macintosh manual. `Macintosh manual' without qualification can be no other. >I now see > that Apple used to call the key "Backspace" prior to the ADB era. (I > didn't use Macs prior to the SE.) I didn't use Macs prior to the SE/30 and Classic. But I've got a 512Ke and a Plus and a Portable (the latter not servicable). > ADB resulted in some convergence between the Apple II and Macintosh > product lines, as the ADB keyboards worked on the Apple IIgs and > Macintosh (SE and later). Uhuh. > The Apple II had already been calling that key "delete" since it was > introduced on the Apple IIe, and it actually generated an ASCII DEL > character, not ASCII BS (Ctrl-H); Oh! > the Ctrl-H key combination was used by > the left arrow key. (I expect the Apple /// also had "Delete" but I > barely used one.) > > It appears that Apple decided to use the "delete" term for the ADB > keycaps, perhaps to avoid confusing Apple IIgs users. It subsequently > stuck on the Mac in subsequent keyboards. Righto. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking |