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From: James Jolley on 28 Jan 2010 07:37 On 2010-01-28 12:34:33 +0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> said: > On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:03:59 +0000, James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> > wrote: > >> As someone who as studied opera from the music analysis perspective, >> it's not all bad. Just because it's in italian means nothing - the art >> form is actually sophisticated musically. > > This is true. I'm still not much of a fan, but I'll put up with some > singing in order to hear the music and watch the stage. > > Also, when sung in English (or translated in subtitles) the words are > always of such cheesy quality that everyone is better off leaving it > in Foreign. > > Cheers - Jaimie True enough. If you analyse the orchestration it's easy to see how the great composers were able to deal with the varying dynamics of the voice. Best -JAmes-
From: Tim Streater on 28 Jan 2010 08:12 On 28/01/2010 12:34, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:03:59 +0000, James Jolley<jrjolley(a)me.com> > wrote: > >> As someone who as studied opera from the music analysis perspective, >> it's not all bad. Just because it's in italian means nothing - the art >> form is actually sophisticated musically. > > This is true. I'm still not much of a fan, but I'll put up with some > singing in order to hear the music and watch the stage. > > Also, when sung in English (or translated in subtitles) the words are > always of such cheesy quality that everyone is better off leaving it > in Foreign. Er yes. I hope the ENO changes its policy about that. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" Bill of Rights 1689
From: Rowland McDonnell on 28 Jan 2010 09:18 Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell wrote: > > Woody<usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: [snip] > >> I don't > >> recall ever hearing anyone talk about an opera. > > > > I try to blot out talk of both. I've heard both types of chat at work. > > Can't stand footy *OR* opera. > > What a snob you are. And a bigger twerp than I thought. What, because I don't like opera or football and don't like to hear people talking about opera or football? What a twit you are. The former is simply an ugly waste of money; the latter is an ugly way to leach money from those who can least afford it for the benefit of those who don't need it. Of the two, footie is the more odious; in its money-grubbing conflict-enhancing professional guise, that is. Opera doesn't annoy me like the rip-off level of professional football does[1]. Rowland. [1] Acknowledging here that yes, some people do play the game for the sheer enjoyment of it, and some of those are even professionals - but playing for the clubs that have no serious ambition to be top of anything significant, the clubs that just want everyone to enjoy the game for the sake of the game, not for making as much money as possible. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Tim Streater on 28 Jan 2010 13:21 On 28/01/2010 14:18, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > Tim Streater<timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > >> Rowland McDonnell wrote: >>> Woody<usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > [snip] > >>>> I don't >>>> recall ever hearing anyone talk about an opera. >>> >>> I try to blot out talk of both. I've heard both types of chat at work. >>> Can't stand footy *OR* opera. >> >> What a snob you are. And a bigger twerp than I thought. > > What, because I don't like opera or football and don't like to hear > people talking about opera or football? No one's forcing you to listen. > What a twit you are. > > The former is simply an ugly waste of money; You have no taste, clearly. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" Bill of Rights 1689
From: Rowland McDonnell on 1 Feb 2010 09:07
Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell wrote: > > Tim Streater<timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > > > >> Rowland McDonnell wrote: > >>> Woody<usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > [snip] > > > >>>> I don't > >>>> recall ever hearing anyone talk about an opera. > >>> > >>> I try to blot out talk of both. I've heard both types of chat at work. > >>> Can't stand footy *OR* opera. > >> > >> What a snob you are. And a bigger twerp than I thought. > > > > What, because I don't like opera or football and don't like to hear > > people talking about opera or football? > > No one's forcing you to listen. And yet you insult me for preferring not to. That's what I'm complaining about - your intolerable lack of tolerance for tastes other than your own. I'm complaining about your boorishness and your intolerance and your lack of appreciation of the fact that your outlook is of a lower order of sophistiation than is mine. You are the crab bucket - see `Unseen Academicals', by Pterry. Now *that* is intolerable snobbishness on my part - what do you think? Do you think I've managed to write in as annoyingly rude and snooty fachion as you managed? Have I managed to plunge as deep into the pool of social invective as did you? But I'm right about you being the crab bucket. > > What a twit you are. > > > > The former is simply an ugly waste of money; > > You have no taste, clearly. Yes, indeed, my music collection would indeed prove to anyone that I have no taste at all. He wrote, with some Telemann soothing his fevered brow at the moment[1]. <shrug> Opera and ballet are forms of entertainment for people with no taste and no ability to appreciate art - or so I think. Both are just overpriced nonsense for rich idiots who know no better, so I think. Footy is at least more honest than opera, Neither's worth the money and audiences they get, I don't think anyway. I'd rather see worthwhile entertainment and art being pushed to the masses. Rowland. [1] I'm a *BIG* fan of baroque music, played on authentic instruments and believe me that's essential. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking |