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From: T i m on 26 Jan 2010 10:34 On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:00:29 +1300, dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: >T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > >> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:29:33 +1300, dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz (David >> Empson) wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >Except it isn't called Backspace anywhere in Apple's documentation >> >> >(except for contexts such as Boot Camp), nor on the keyboard legend in >> >> >any country. >> >> >> But they are referred to 'Backspace' and 'Delete' in the iTunes >> 'Creating Playlists' tutorial I just watched. ;-) > >An iTunes tutorial needs to cover Windows as well as Mac users, and >Windows users of iTunes will outnumber Mac users of iTunes by a >significant degree (at least as far as using iTunes to manage an iPod or >iPhone), so it makes sense to use Windows terminology in that context. So in the books no one reads it mentions a usage of keys that isn't what's understood by the majority of keyboard users worldwide. Ok? ;-) > >If it was talking about removing items from playlists (or similar >actions) then it doesn't matter what you call the keys - both keys will >remove a selected item from a playlist. "Backspace" and "Delete" have >meaning to a Windows user, and "Delete" has meaning to a Mac user (who >could interpret it as either Delete or Forward Delete - they both work). I do use both keys and I would use (or attempt to use) then each for different tasks and would assume one would be an alternative (or equal) to the other. Hence my 'what are we going to do now' when presented with a Ctrl+Alt+Delete login request and not having what I knew of as a delete key. Oh well, all good stuff. Cheers, T i m
From: T i m on 26 Jan 2010 10:36 On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:22:25 +0000, real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: >T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > >> dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: >> >> >> >Except it isn't called Backspace anywhere in Apple's documentation >> >> >(except for contexts such as Boot Camp), nor on the keyboard legend in >> >> >any country. >> >> But they are referred to 'Backspace' and 'Delete' in the iTunes >> 'Creating Playlists' tutorial I just watched. ;-) > >And in the Macintosh manual - the one published by Apple. ;-) T i m
From: James Dore on 26 Jan 2010 10:37 On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:51:08 -0000, Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > On 2010-01-26, Rowland McDonnell > <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: >>> > >>> >> >The "ins" notation probably disappeared somewhere between the 1997 >>> >> >keyboard I'm looking at and your 2006-ish one. :-) >>> >> >>> >> Typical. ;-) >>> > >>> > This help/ins thing he's talking about - not on any desktop Mac >>> keyboard >>> > I have accessible here, and I'm looking at five different >>> generations. >>> > >>> > The `help' key really doesn't have `ins' on it, not on any of 'em. >>> >>> My made-for-Macs Matias Tactile Pro has an 'ins / help' key. >> >> My made-for-Macs *BY APPLE* keyboards - don't. >> >> Not unless there's an ins/help key in addition to the help key that I >> see above the arrow keys, which I somehow missed when I looked at each >> one carefully. >> >> It's possible I made that error. >> >> Given my crapness earlier over the fn key, I really don't think I've >> cocked up that way a second time... > > I'm pretty sure you're correct - I don't think there's a made-by-Apple > keyboard with that key. I was just giving an example of a made-for-Apple > keyboard. The Nimitz has one (I'm looking at it now), as did most ADB keyboards of that era. Cheers, -- James Dore New College IT Officer james.dore(a)new / it-support(a)new
From: Jim on 26 Jan 2010 10:40 On 2010-01-26, James Dore <james.dore(a)new.ox.ac.uk> wrote: >>> Not unless there's an ins/help key in addition to the help key that I >>> see above the arrow keys, which I somehow missed when I looked at each >>> one carefully. >>> >>> It's possible I made that error. >>> >>> Given my crapness earlier over the fn key, I really don't think I've >>> cocked up that way a second time... >> >> I'm pretty sure you're correct - I don't think there's a made-by-Apple >> keyboard with that key. I was just giving an example of a made-for-Apple >> keyboard. > > The Nimitz has one (I'm looking at it now), as did most ADB keyboards of > that era. Oh, right-o. Jim -- http://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Get over here. Now. Might be advisable to wear brown trousers and a shirt the colour of blood." Malcolm Tucker, "The Thick of It"
From: Rowland McDonnell on 26 Jan 2010 10:40
Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > >> > > >> >> >The "ins" notation probably disappeared somewhere between the 1997 > >> >> >keyboard I'm looking at and your 2006-ish one. :-) > >> >> > >> >> Typical. ;-) > >> > > >> > This help/ins thing he's talking about - not on any desktop Mac keyboard > >> > I have accessible here, and I'm looking at five different generations. > >> > > >> > The `help' key really doesn't have `ins' on it, not on any of 'em. > >> > >> My made-for-Macs Matias Tactile Pro has an 'ins / help' key. > > > > My made-for-Macs *BY APPLE* keyboards - don't. > > > > Not unless there's an ins/help key in addition to the help key that I > > see above the arrow keys, which I somehow missed when I looked at each > > one carefully. > > > > It's possible I made that error. > > > > Given my crapness earlier over the fn key, I really don't think I've > > cocked up that way a second time... > > I'm pretty sure you're correct - I don't think there's a made-by-Apple > keyboard with that key. I was just giving an example of a made-for-Apple > keyboard. No, `branded made for Mac', is what you mean. i.e., kitted out with a PR label so they can charge more for it. The keyboards supplied by Apple with Macs are the `made *FOR* Apple' keyboards. Damn. Look at the time... White rabbit. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking |