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From: T i m on 26 Jan 2010 14:37 On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:05:38 +0000, real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: >T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > >> real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: >> >> >T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: >> > >> >> dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >Except it isn't called Backspace anywhere in Apple's documentation >> >> >> >(except for contexts such as Boot Camp), nor on the keyboard legend in >> >> >> >any country. >> >> >> >> But they are referred to 'Backspace' and 'Delete' in the iTunes >> >> 'Creating Playlists' tutorial I just watched. ;-) >> > >> >And in the Macintosh manual - the one published by Apple. > >Backspace, I mean. Not delete. It was backspace when Apple invented >the Mac. > Yup, that what I took you to mean. T i m
From: Richard Tobin on 26 Jan 2010 15:13 In article <1jcxy61.is9qv5ild62qN%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid>, Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: >> It wasn't an album cover, it's a famous Magritte painting. >Looks like it should have been an album cover. A quick Google suggests that it's one of the few Magritte paintings that hasn't been used as an album cover. >Famous, eh? I suspect >more people have heard of Manchester Utd than have heard of Magritte, I've read that more people go to the opera each week than to football matches. -- Richard -- Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.
From: Woody on 26 Jan 2010 15:08 On 26/01/2010 20:13, Richard Tobin wrote: > In article<1jcxy61.is9qv5ild62qN%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid>, > Rowland McDonnell<real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > >>> It wasn't an album cover, it's a famous Magritte painting. > >> Looks like it should have been an album cover. > > A quick Google suggests that it's one of the few Magritte paintings > that hasn't been used as an album cover. > >> Famous, eh? I suspect >> more people have heard of Manchester Utd than have heard of Magritte, > > I've read that more people go to the opera each week than to football > matches. Seems somehow unlikely. Is that worldwide? If so, why is the opera subsidised in this country, and football clubs raking in large sums of money? Bad management? I hear people talking about football matches at work though, I don't recall ever hearing anyone talk about an opera. -- Woody
From: David Empson on 26 Jan 2010 16:31 Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > On 2010-01-26, Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> >The "ins" notation probably disappeared somewhere between the 1997 > >> >> >keyboard I'm looking at and your 2006-ish one. :-) > >> >> > >> >> Typical. ;-) > >> > > >> > This help/ins thing he's talking about - not on any desktop Mac keyboard > >> > I have accessible here, and I'm looking at five different generations. > >> > > >> > The `help' key really doesn't have `ins' on it, not on any of 'em. > >> > >> My made-for-Macs Matias Tactile Pro has an 'ins / help' key. > > > > My made-for-Macs *BY APPLE* keyboards - don't. > > > > Not unless there's an ins/help key in addition to the help key that I > > see above the arrow keys, which I somehow missed when I looked at each > > one carefully. > > > > It's possible I made that error. > > > > Given my crapness earlier over the fn key, I really don't think I've > > cocked up that way a second time... > > I'm pretty sure you're correct - I don't think there's a made-by-Apple > keyboard with that key. I was just giving an example of a made-for-Apple > keyboard. The ADB keyboard which came with my PowerMac 8600 (made by Apple) has help/ins. That's my 1997 reference above. I don't have it handy to check, but I'm pretty sure it is also on my original Apple Extended Keyboard (ADB) and on the Apple Extended Keyboard II. The help key was used by some applications to bring up their help. The ins notation was there for PC emulators - don't forget that some Macs actually included an x86 hardware emulator on a NuBus card or similar. -- David Empson dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
From: David Empson on 26 Jan 2010 16:31
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > > > dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: > > > > >> >Except it isn't called Backspace anywhere in Apple's documentation > > >> >(except for contexts such as Boot Camp), nor on the keyboard legend in > > >> >any country. > > > > But they are referred to 'Backspace' and 'Delete' in the iTunes > > 'Creating Playlists' tutorial I just watched. ;-) > > And in the Macintosh manual - the one published by Apple. I assume you are talking about the original Macintosh manual. I now see that Apple used to call the key "Backspace" prior to the ADB era. (I didn't use Macs prior to the SE.) ADB resulted in some convergence between the Apple II and Macintosh product lines, as the ADB keyboards worked on the Apple IIgs and Macintosh (SE and later). The Apple II had already been calling that key "delete" since it was introduced on the Apple IIe, and it actually generated an ASCII DEL character, not ASCII BS (Ctrl-H); the Ctrl-H key combination was used by the left arrow key. (I expect the Apple /// also had "Delete" but I barely used one.) It appears that Apple decided to use the "delete" term for the ADB keycaps, perhaps to avoid confusing Apple IIgs users. It subsequently stuck on the Mac in subsequent keyboards. -- David Empson dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz |