Can Christian Electronic Designers Design?
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From: Bill Sloman on 1 Apr 2010 04:01 On Apr 1, 3:37 am, John Larkin <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:47:31 -0700, > > > > "JosephKK"<quiettechb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:10:58 -0700, John Larkin <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > > >>On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 01:33:47 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman > >><bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > > >>>On Mar 30, 5:40 am, "David L. Jones" <altz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> D from BC wrote: > >>>> > mmm sseems a little quiet in SED so... > >>>> > Time for another mega-troll. > > >>>> > Are Christian beliefs in conflict with good electronics engineering? > > >>>> There appears to be no evidence that delusion and electronics design ability > >>>> are mutually exclusive. > > >>>Jim Thompson believes in the Republicans. That's pretty much the same > >>>level of silliness. > > >>Bill Slomanproves that dreary realism isn't necessarily associated > >>with electronic design ability. > > >>John > > >If you has used socialism instead of realism, you might have had a point.. > >Slowman is immune to reason. > > Yes, he is such a creature of passion. John needs to do a course on deducing facts from evidence. He seems to be able to manage it - to an adequate extent - when he is working on electronics, but for the rest of the world he lets his opinions dictate what he believes, rather than going to the trouble of finding out how they fit with verifiable facts. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: Bill Sloman on 1 Apr 2010 04:17 On Mar 31, 2:13 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...(a)InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote: > On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:38:36 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman > > <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >On Mar 31, 1:47 am, John Larkin > ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:06:12 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman > > >> <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >> >On Mar 30, 4:12 pm, John Larkin > >> ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:40:43 +1100, "David L. Jones" > > >> >> <altz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >D from BC wrote: > >> >> >> mmm sseems a little quiet in SED so... > >> >> >> Time for another mega-troll. > > >> >> >> Are Christian beliefs in conflict with good electronics engineering? > > >> >> >There appears to be no evidence that delusion and electronics design ability > >> >> >are mutually exclusive. > > >> >> >Dave. > > >> >> Not as long as you're happy spinning the pcb etch four or five times, > >> >> and shipping a lot of bugs. To get it right the first time, you can't > >> >> lie to yourself about anything. > > >> >Your opinions about the way the genetic system might work did imply > >> >that you were deceiving yourself pretty thorooughly in that area. > > >> Genetic science is, if anything, trending in the directions I > >> expected. DNA and its supporting systems is indeed a very > >> sophisticated, nearly intelligent machine, hardly a > >> random-mutation+selection process. Evolution guarantees that it be so. > > >And you still don't get it. DNA doesn't know anything about itself, > >merely whether the phoneme it has produced is good enough to survive > >and reproduce. All the "sophistication" involves differernt ways of > >doing the random mutation process - in big gene-duplicating chunks > >versus single nuclear polymorphisms. > > >This is about as far from "intelligent" as one can get. > > Nice guesses, Have your read any of the recent papers on the subject? You might try to plow through "Modularity" ISBN 0-226-73855-8. It was published in 2004, but the stuff coming out in the current "Proceedings of the National Academy of Science" still seems to fit the same set of ideas. > but there is no conclusive proof for your claim either, Or so you'd like to think. > yet you tout it and yourself as being the only viable "observation", I do seem to know more about the subject than you or John Larkin - which isn't much - but if either of you took the trouble to listen somebody who has studied the subject at a respectable university (as John Larkin claims that one of his kids has done) you could get an even better informed opinion. > THAT IS as far from intelligence as it gets. No "about as" about it. Or so you'd like to think. Sadly, you are DimBulb, with a penchant for getting things wrong. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: RogerN on 1 Apr 2010 06:29 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.261dc7f97daa697f989742(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <e82dnbi9zKkHYy7WnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > regor(a)midwest.net says... >> >> "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message >> news:MPG.261c26f5d5a8546d989733(a)209.197.12.12... >> > Roger... >> > Larkin has faith in God but wrote recently that he makes no claim that >> > God exists. >> > Does he believe in God or not? >> > Is he just wishing for a God? Or is his believing in God/Jesus for a >> > ticket to heaven. >> > >> >> He seemed pretty clear on it but you seem to have muddied up what he >> wrote. > > Larkin posted that there are very intelligent engineers and > mathematicians that are Christian. > This is a defense for Christianity. > Then Larkin posts that he made no claim that God exists. > He might still believe in God or have faith in God. > Example: I can believe in leprechauns because I can believe whatever I > want to believe however I make no claim leprechauns exist because I have > no evidence. Because I have no evidence for leprechauns, I have faith in > leprechauns. > Which raises the question.. Is Larkin atheist, agnostic, theist or > other.. > Only God knows.. :P > > >> >> >> > And.. >> > >> > What are your reasons as to why there's a God? >> > >> > Just following the herd? >> > Just believing fantastic stories in one book? >> > Just like the music in church? >> > >> > >> > -- >> > D from BC >> > British Columbia >> >> None of the above. But if you're interested why not look up why other > > Dodging.. > >> Atheists have became believers, you may find that they once believed > almost >> exactly as you and then find out what caused a change in what they > believed. >> Also, I found out today that there are some Pastors of churches that are >> Atheists. Over the years I've heard from a professor that taught >> evolution >> in a college and was an Atheist, now he believes in God and sees problems >> with the theory of evolution. >> >> RogerN > > The problem with evolution is that it makes God look clumsy for making > 17 000 attempts at trilobite design and them wiping them all out. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilobites > > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia Maybe God was wanting you to feel better about your designs :-) RogerN
From: brent on 1 Apr 2010 07:47 On Mar 31, 10:41 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...(a)InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote: > On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:43:34 -0700 (PDT), brent > > <buleg...(a)columbus.rr.com> wrote: > >P C Board passes are pretty inexpensive these days and they can be > >turned quickly. > > A six by six inch board with about 40 or more BGA chips on it? > > Maybe your little two layer designs can. My two layer designs are quite enjoyable to build. They are typically transmitter boards that have peak RF power of 1KW. I usually get those right in 2 passes, often it is mechanical issues that cause the second pass. The advantage that the guys have who use 40 BGA chips is that they can alter their boards by reprogramming their parts. I would love to hear about the guy who got his FPGA code right on the first pass -- LOL!
From: John Larkin on 1 Apr 2010 10:11
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:59:12 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >In article <e82dnbi9zKkHYy7WnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, >regor(a)midwest.net says... >> >> "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message >> news:MPG.261c26f5d5a8546d989733(a)209.197.12.12... >> > Roger... >> > Larkin has faith in God but wrote recently that he makes no claim that >> > God exists. >> > Does he believe in God or not? >> > Is he just wishing for a God? Or is his believing in God/Jesus for a >> > ticket to heaven. >> > >> >> He seemed pretty clear on it but you seem to have muddied up what he wrote. > >Larkin posted that there are very intelligent engineers and >mathematicians that are Christian. >This is a defense for Christianity. Your logic could equally become a defense of alcoholism. Some great electronic designers were alcoholics. >Then Larkin posts that he made no claim that God exists. Cite a post where I made a solid claim one way or the other. >He might still believe in God or have faith in God. If I did, it would trash your argument that Christians can't be good electronic designers. The only solid data point you can reference in this regard is yourself: you're not a Christian and you suck at electronics. John |