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From: RogerN on 1 Apr 2010 18:44 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.261dbc1321cb176c989741(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <8aidndO6ZczjnSnWnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > regor(a)midwest.net says... >> >> "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message >> news:MPG.261d9d0275b3d1498973c(a)209.197.12.12... >> > No firmament(biblize) does not seem the same as space. >> > >> > 'The Firmament is the usual English translation of the Hebrew "raqiya`" >> > (pronounced /raki'ja/ in English) meaning an extended solid surface or >> > dome, considered to be a hemisphere above the ground[1] in many Near >> > Eastern cosmologies.' >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmament >> > >> > You'll see this word used in Genesis. (Where you will learn zero about >> > physics.) >> > >> > It really looks God didn't tell those Bronze age bible monkeys about >> > astronomy. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > D from BC >> > British Columbia >> >> Did God need to tell them about astronomy? Might have been as useful to >> them as a book on Windows for Workgroups 3.11. >> >> RogerN > > Astronomy content would be evidence of a creator. > Example: > If someone asked > 'Jesus' Jesus Jesus...I said... Yo Jesus.. What's the fastest thing in > the universe? > Jesus: God is. > 'No no I mean what is the fastest thing on earth?' > Jesus: God is. > 'No no ..I mean what is the fastest observable natural thing on earth.' > Jesus: Light. > 'You mean the light I see.' > Jesus: Yup.. Light a fire and the light from the fire travels very fast. > 'How fast?' > Jesus: Do you want to know for in air or in a vacuum? > 'What's air or a vacuum?' > anyways.. > > Put that in the bible and it would be good evidence of a God cause only > a God would know that in the Bronze age. > > > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia Why do you refuse what is already in the Bible? Hydrology for one. How about the exact day Jesus would ride into Jerusalem on a donkey a few hundred years before it happened? Instead of looking for passages that other atheists give you to disagree with, why not look in the Bible to see what is really there? I know the much of the stuff you claim is there buy you're trying to apply the instructions for a suppository to a liquid cough syrup, it just doesn't work that way. RogerN
From: John Larkin on 1 Apr 2010 18:50 On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 17:36:59 -0500, "RogerN" <regor(a)midwest.net> wrote: > >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message >news:dj3ar5hao100b6h1gdsa47gui4ah991oov(a)4ax.com... >> On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:03:30 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> >> wrote: >> >>>In article <a4l9r55c932agh44aqbbgar5jhgl9ta3gv(a)4ax.com>, >>>jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com says... >>>> >>>> On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:07:51 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >In article <c1a9r5h1cmfjptvm4ccgqhvhq0c59jlpb5(a)4ax.com>, >>>> >jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com says... >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:59:12 -0700, D from BC >>>> >> <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >In article <e82dnbi9zKkHYy7WnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, >>>> >> >regor(a)midwest.net says... >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message >>>> >> >> news:MPG.261c26f5d5a8546d989733(a)209.197.12.12... >>>> >> >> > Roger... >>>> >> >> > Larkin has faith in God but wrote recently that he makes no >>>> >> >> > claim that >>>> >> >> > God exists. >>>> >> >> > Does he believe in God or not? >>>> >> >> > Is he just wishing for a God? Or is his believing in God/Jesus >>>> >> >> > for a >>>> >> >> > ticket to heaven. >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> He seemed pretty clear on it but you seem to have muddied up what >>>> >> >> he wrote. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >Larkin posted that there are very intelligent engineers and >>>> >> >mathematicians that are Christian. >>>> >> >This is a defense for Christianity. >>>> >> >>>> >> Your logic could equally become a defense of alcoholism. Some great >>>> >> electronic designers were alcoholics. >>>> >> >>>> >> >Then Larkin posts that he made no claim that God exists. >>>> >> >>>> >> Cite a post where I made a solid claim one way or the other. >>>> >> >>>> >> >He might still believe in God or have faith in God. >>>> >> >>>> >> If I did, it would trash your argument that Christians can't be good >>>> >> electronic designers. >>>> > >>>> >'If I did' ... If I'm understanding your response correctly... >>>> >This means you have no belief in God and no faith in God. >>>> >Then you are atheist. >>>> >Larkin is an atheist. >>>> >Correct? >>>> >>>> When have you ever been correct? >>>> >>>> John >>> >>>Are you implying that you are religious? >>>Then what religion? >>>Why are you being evasive and not being clear by not posting 'I am an >>>atheist.' Or 'I am a Christian.' Or whatever cult you might be part of. >>> >>>I dare you to post 'I Larkin am a __________' >> >> >> OK, you win. >> >> I Larkin am an electronics design engineer. You aren't. >> >> John > > >Oh yeah!!! D from BC is an idiot and you aren't! So there! Take That! >:-) > >RogerN > You really know how to hurt a guy. John
From: John Larkin on 1 Apr 2010 18:52 On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 15:41:49 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >Wouldn't it make me look stupid if you were bluntly clear and posted 'I >Larkin am an atheist' or 'I Larkin am a Christian'. But you always look stupid. How could we tell the difference? John
From: John Larkin on 1 Apr 2010 18:53 On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 15:06:03 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman <bill.sloman(a)ieee.org> wrote: >On Apr 1, 5:15�pm, John Larkin ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 01:17:30 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman >> >> >> >> <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: >> >On Mar 31, 2:13�pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...(a)InfiniteSeries.Org> >> >wrote: >> >> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:38:36 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman >> >> >> <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: >> >> >On Mar 31, 1:47�am, John Larkin >> >> ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:06:12 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman >> >> >> >> <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: >> >> >> >On Mar 30, 4:12�pm, John Larkin >> >> >> ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:40:43 +1100, "David L. Jones" >> >> >> >> >> <altz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >D from BC wrote: >> >> >> >> >> mmm sseems a little quiet in SED so... >> >> >> >> >> Time for another mega-troll. >> >> >> >> >> >> Are Christian beliefs in conflict with good electronics engineering? >> >> >> >> >> >There appears to be no evidence that delusion and electronics design ability >> >> >> >> >are mutually exclusive. >> >> >> >> >> >Dave. >> >> >> >> >> Not as long as you're happy spinning the pcb etch four or five times, >> >> >> >> and shipping a lot of bugs. To get it right the first time, you can't >> >> >> >> lie to yourself about anything. >> >> >> >> >Your opinions about the way the genetic system might work did imply >> >> >> >that you were deceiving yourself pretty thorooughly in that area. >> >> >> >> Genetic science is, if anything, trending in the directions I >> >> >> expected. DNA and its supporting systems is indeed a very >> >> >> sophisticated, nearly intelligent machine, hardly a >> >> >> random-mutation+selection process. Evolution guarantees that it be so. >> >> >> >And you still don't get it. DNA doesn't know anything about itself, >> >> >merely whether the phoneme it has produced is good enough to survive >> >> >and reproduce. All the "sophistication" involves differernt ways of >> >> >doing the random mutation process - in big gene-duplicating chunks >> >> >versus single nuclear polymorphisms. >> >> >> >This is about as far from "intelligent" as one can get. >> >> >> � Nice guesses, >> >> >Have your read any of the recent papers on the subject? You might try >> >to plow through "Modularity" ISBN 0-226-73855-8. It was published in >> >2004, but the stuff coming out in the current "Proceedings of the >> >National Academy of Science" still seems to fit the same set of ideas. >> >> >> but there is no conclusive proof for your claim either, >> >> >Or so you'd like to think. >> >> >> yet you tout it and yourself as being the only viable "observation", >> >> >I do seem to know more about the subject than you or John Larkin - >> >which isn't much - but if either of you took the trouble to listen >> >somebody who has studied the subject at a respectable university (as >> >John Larkin claims that one of his kids has done) you could get an >> >even better informed opinion. >> >> My older daughter is a biology professor at University of the Pacific. >> She has her own office (with a window!) and her own 1200 square foot >> lab full of gene sequencers and stuff like that. And assistants to do >> the wet stuff. I discuss this stuff with her now and then, and she is >> finally starting to admit that I might not be crazy. > >Which is another way of saying that she has decided that you are >terminally ineductable on the subject, and she doesn't want to cut her >kids off from their grandfather. > >> She also has two kids and five motorcycles. > >Five motorcycles? Are any of them "classics"? 4 BMWs and a Ducati. John
From: D from BC on 1 Apr 2010 18:58
I suspect Larkin thinks it's smart by being indirect/vague and evasive about what religion he's in or the lack of. It's a simple act for him to correct me and to post 'I Larkin am a Christian' He's yet to demonstrate free will to directly post his religion or lack of. 'I Larkin am of the __________ religion' -- D from BC British Columbia |