From: John Larkin on
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:12:31 -0700, D from BC
<myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote:

>In article <n8r2r55dngtnlgjbnueaf08v204i5qigoi(a)4ax.com>,
>jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com says...
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:49:14 -0700, D from BC
>> <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <7uqdnY-5_I1T1CzWnZ2dnUVZ_voAAAAA(a)supernews.com>,
>> >eather(a)tpg.com.au says...
>> >>
>> >> On 30/03/2010 10:33 AM, D from BC wrote:
>> >> > In article<4cf2r5l1g72108pfls93vc6h4s2uq6q232(a)4ax.com>,
>> >> > jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:35:39 -0700, D from BC
>> >> >> <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> mmm sseems a little quiet in SED so...
>> >> >>> Time for another mega-troll.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Are Christian beliefs in conflict with good electronics engineering?
>> >> >>> How can Christian electronics designers still do a good job with
>> >> >>> Christian concepts in their head.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I know a couple of seriously Christian electronics designers and
>> >> >> programmers who are literally a couple of orders of magnitude better
>> >> >> than you are.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Some of the best scientists and mathematicians have been Jesuits.
>> >> >> Seismology has been called The Jesuit Science.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jesuit_scientists
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm sure they all have very intelligent reasons for why they believe in
>> >> > Jesus and God and Noah that guy that lived in a fish.
>> >> > Maybe you can list what their reasons are.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I can, if you are actually interested.
>> >
>> >Sure..
>> >Do Larkin's intelligent scientists and intelligent engineers and
>> >intelligent mathematicians have an intelligent reason for why they
>> >believe the story of Jonah (that biblical guy that lived for days in a
>> >fish) or Noah or God or Jesus?
>>
>> Some do; some just have faith.
>>
>> There are lots of things that are faith-based, even if you don't
>> believe in God. Thinks like empathy, honesty, senses of fairness,
>> love, a desire to help others. Maybe you're a sociopath and don't feel
>
>Faith, according to websters is a firm belief in something for which
>there's no proof.
>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith

How very tedious of you.

>
>Why would an intelligent person want to believe in something for which
>there's no proof?

One reason would be because it works. I do electronic design things
all the time, based in instinct or experience or experiment, for which
there's no proof, or where the effort to prove something isn't worth
the trouble.

Another reason is because it feels right.

>
>Point 2...
>
>Are you using the word faith correctly?
>You wrote to the effect that it takes faith for empathy, honesty, senses
>of fairness, love, and desire to help others..
>What do you mean it takes faith in those things?

I mean people do things because they just know they are right. And
some people have religion because they just feel the presence of God.
You apparently don't, and you mock people who do. I have faith that
you are an idiot. And I know that you're not much of an electronic
designer.

John


From: WarmUnderbelly on
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:02:57 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com>
wrote:

>Does it 'work' by making people feel happy that by believing in Jesus
>they avoid being punished in hell forever.


I think he was referring more to the behavioral parables.

You ain't real bright, boy.
From: AZ Nomad on
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:45:38 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote:
>Are you saying that death by Spanish Inquisition, Crusades and witch
>hunts were ok because there's so much more death throughout history?

>Do you realize the reasoning you're using can be used to tone down any
>atrocity.

There is no behavior so bizzare, so heinous or nasty that it can't
be rationalized in the mind of a believer.
From: Mr.Eko on
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:02:57 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com>
wrote:

>If I got this right...
>The reason why you believe in God is because it works for those that
>believe in God.
>uhh.. That's too ambiguous for me..
>I'm understanding that as: The reason why you believe in God is because
>others believe in God.
>Correct?


It appears that you have never had a beautiful, wonderful, early
morning, early spring walk through a flowering Western US desert or
Eastern US woodland.

That would be a mere two of the reasons why an observer of such wonders
becomes certain that it is the result of creation.

That is despite evolution. Sure everything has evolved. That still
does not rule out it having been created or even advanced by the hand of
a higher being, or even *THE* higher being. After all, *HIS* "seven
days" are obviously a lot longer than *our* time frames work in. For
_this_ little ball we are on, it took 4 billion years AFTER the planetoid
coalesced, which took a typically unspecified several tens of hundreds of
millions of years to happen as well, after the super nova that spread US
all out into the local system.

You nor I know for sure, but that is what the very definition of
"faith" begins at. The very existence of God or a "Creator".

THEN, there was Jesus, who is now the *HE* that is God.

You know not the hour which he comes.
From: Mr.Eko on
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:20:14 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:49:14 -0700, D from BC
><myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote:
>

>>Sure..
>>Do Larkin's intelligent scientists and intelligent engineers and
>>intelligent mathematicians have an intelligent reason for why they
>>believe the story of Jonah (that biblical guy that lived for days in a
>>fish) or Noah or God or Jesus?
>
>Some do; some just have faith.
>
>There are lots of things that are faith-based, even if you don't
>believe in God. Thinks like empathy, honesty, senses of fairness,
>love, a desire to help others. Maybe you're a sociopath and don't feel
>any of these things. Or maybe you're just an idiot.
>
>John


Damn, john actually said something funny.