Can Christian Electronic Designers Design?
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From: John Larkin on 30 Mar 2010 18:08 On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:52:01 -0700 (PDT), brent <bulegoge(a)columbus.rr.com> wrote: >On Mar 30, 7:12�am, John Larkin ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:40:43 +1100, "David L. Jones" >> >> <altz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >D from BC wrote: >> >> mmm sseems a little quiet in SED so... >> >> Time for another mega-troll. >> >> >> Are Christian beliefs in conflict with good electronics engineering? >> >> >There appears to be no evidence that delusion and electronics design ability >> >are mutually exclusive. >> >> >Dave. >> >> Not as long as you're happy spinning the pcb etch four or five times, >> and shipping a lot of bugs. To get it right the first time, you can't >> lie to yourself about anything. >> >> John > >Anyone that thinks they can get any meaningful new board design done >in one pass is delusional. We do it most of the time, namely ship complex designs with uPs, FPGAs, analog stuff, power conditioning. We go from paper designs to multilayer PC boards, formally release the rev A documentation, let manufacturing build the first articles, and make them work. We don't prototype and don't breadboard and usually ship rev A. This is a spectroscopy controller. The board on the left side of the plate is a Kontron SBC. On the right is our board: PCI express, BGA FPGA, BGA DRAM, fast ADC, two 128 MHz arbs, power supplies, lots of slower analog and digital i/o. Off to the side is the operator interface and a couple of option boards. First etch it all works. ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/First_Light.jpg Here it is packaged: ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/First_box.jpg Anyone who usually screws up the first pass is sloppy. John
From: D from BC on 30 Mar 2010 18:10 My expectation was.. > > Somebody is going to post hyperintelligent reasons as to why super duper > > intelligent mensa prometheus people believe in Noah, Jonah, Jesus and > > God. > > > > I'm waiting to be blown away :P > > > > Hopefully it's less than 30 words without bible quotes. The response I get is: Quote from poster David Eather 'This is true. I am not telling you anything to get your sympathy. There is nothing "heroic" or enviable here. This is what was, but it is not what is. I came from a broken and dysfunctional family. As the "identified patient" in such a family every thing that went wrong within (and without) the family was my fault. No matter how I was treated I deserved it because I was wrong. I never did anything good. Growing up like this meant years of taking on guilt and failure regardless of the source or who was culpable. While still studying at university my mother died from multiple organ failure a result of a closed bile duct and medical over-servicing. If only I had been a better son... It was my fault so I didn't deserve any consideration. My own brother, his wife and uncle worked together to force the estate trustees to make me homeless. For weeks I was full of grief, unbearable, relentless and guilt I couldn't dismiss. No (recognised) skills, no support, and soon to be no home. One night at about 2 o'clock, after no sleep I sat up. I was getting out of bed to check out some locations. I had the rope and was looking for a place to hang myself. Instead, and even now I don't know why, I said "God save me". I was pushed back down to the bed by something soft but strong. I couldn't have fought it any more than I could have pushed against a train and prevailed. I had a vision. I was not asleep but awake, I was not dreaming and it wasn't a lucid dream, but I was no longer in my bedroom. I saw, heard and understood things I had never imagined - that I could have never imagined. I was free. I was back in the bedroom. I understood. I said "I believe" and then I heard someone say "that is enough" and I went immediately to sleep. I woke at 5 o'clock. The grief and the guilt were gone. I wasn't "jumping for joy" but the crushing baggage of pain was no longer there. And I was physically well - not the slightest ache or pain, stiffness from the night or even any tiredness. I could cope with what was coming. And I knew that God was real, that Jesus was real and he had come to bind up the broken hearted and to set captives free. It is by his sacrifice that I was healed. David Eather' And the reason why to believe in God, Jesus, Noah and Jonah is......DRUM ROLL........ from your experience! Yes ..this might come off as cold but I do suspect you are using an appeal to emotion argument. You are implying that without Jesus, you'll be dead. I'm down..now I'm up and it's cause of Jesus! Why would I believe you? How come Jesus is not saving thousands of other people the same way? If possible please post suicide statistics. Don't see Jesus.. See a qualified psychotherapist. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: John Larkin on 30 Mar 2010 18:23 On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:04:30 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >In article <rm63r55t9mn4c33emhbu2j67i0nlr0o1db(a)4ax.com>, >OneBigLever(a)InfiniteSeries.Org says... >> >> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:43:38 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >So the reason why you have faith in God is because you use faith for >> >other things? >> >> >> Use faith? >> >> Yer an idiot. >> >> The faith is that there is a creator. All the "religions" of Earth >> follow that rule. Some have more than one "god" or "creator". >> >> We have only ONE. > >Larkin claims that we commonly operate on faith. >For example... >He has faith his food doesn't contain E. Coli. That's because he has no >evidence that his food is good or bad. But he eats his food on faith >that it's safe. >No evidence = faith >Since faith is believing without evidence and many actions are done >without evidence then faith is justified which makes God justified. >If I got that right, that's his reasoning for why God exists. > >Sound messed up? I never claimed that God exists. I did claim that you're a mean-spirited idiot, for which there is concrete evidence. John
From: D from BC on 30 Mar 2010 18:23 In article <i_CdnXJaJYdp7i_WnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > > When Moses was doing the work God called him to do, the Egyptians found > natural scientific explanations for the plagues of Moses. So don't be > suprised that there are natural explanations for what God does, that's how > it happened even back in the days of Moses. But they ignored the fact that > Moses would not have known of the natural things that would happen. In > other words, if God uses natural processes, it doesn't mean that it isn't > God doing the work. Another example is the walls of Jericho, there is a > fault line and an earthquake caused the walls to fall, but God knew > precisely how to set up a hair trigger for the earthquake so that a shout > would trigger it. A natural occurance set up at the hand of God, perhaps > evolution is the same way. > > RogerN Something that acts like that is not worthy of being called God. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: RogerN on 30 Mar 2010 18:26
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message news:a524r51rn73jjudigj69jkd5et7tqorrjo(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:41:56 -0700, Mr.Eko > <ekointhedirt(a)lostisland.org> wrote: > >>On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:02:57 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> >>wrote: >> >>>If I got this right... >>>The reason why you believe in God is because it works for those that >>>believe in God. >>>uhh.. That's too ambiguous for me.. >>>I'm understanding that as: The reason why you believe in God is because >>>others believe in God. >>>Correct? >> >> >> It appears that you have never had a beautiful, wonderful, early >>morning, early spring walk through a flowering Western US desert or >>Eastern US woodland. >> >> That would be a mere two of the reasons why an observer of such wonders >>becomes certain that it is the result of creation. > > It's not certainty to me, but it's sure suspicious that Earth is such > an improbably beautiful place, and that we are alive now. The > probability of those things happening is so close to zero that it > doesn't matter. > > Consider living near the triple point of water: clouds, rivers, snow, > all at the same time. > > Consider the neatly separated minerals for the taking, and the > fuel/oxidizer in abundance. Consider the clear atmosphere, dense > enough for flight but clear enough that we can see the stars. > > I bet D from BC is unimpressed. > > John It takes more faith to believe D from BC is an electronics designer, doesn't it? :-) I've heard a lot of people say they asked God that if he exists to let them know and somehow or other God revealed himself to them. It didn't come that easy for me, I desparately searched for God for days that turned into weeks, but I did find evidences enough, and in abundance, to believe in God. You hear today stuff like "follow the money" claiming religion is only about the money, and it's hard to argue with because in many instances it is true. But at one time, to be a believer in Jesus meant probable death. You have to get past the TV preachers and those who are in it for the money, you have to get one on one with God. Most of the disciples were killed because of their faith in Jesus, if anyone would know the truth, they would, and they were willing to hold to their faith even though it cost their life. If it were false, they wouldn't have been willing to die for something they knew was a lie. A Romanian missionary that spoke at our church on several occasions walked out of then communist Romania by following a pillar of light. On multiple occasions this guy was picked up by the KGB and beaten because he was a servant of God, he paid the penalty to be a believer, that's the kind of person God moves for to deliver. Jesus was who he was and did what he did, but he gave his power to those who believe in him. Read Acts, the disciples were able to do what Jesus did, just like Jesus promised in the Gospel according to John. So, you have the Bible foretelling and foreshadowing Jesus a long time before he came, then you have Jesus that came and fulfilled the prophesies about himself, then the disciples that died because they told about Jesus, and many martyrs since. Or you can believe this dipsh*t called DfromBC that does good to turn on a flashlight and is incapable of much of anything else. Sorry D, is your first name Dipsh*t? RogerN |