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From: D from BC on 11 Apr 2010 00:33 In article <HM2dnT2NZ77NvVzWnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > I believe God could have made everything in 6 days of 24 hours each day, > complete with billions of years of history from the day it was made. The > reason I don't think it happened that way is because I don't believe God put > the history there just to deceive people. The Genesis account clearly says > evening and morning and the day it was. Do you think God was standing on > Earth when he created it? The Genesis account also clearly says the time > for a day wasn't established until the 4th day. So, if God had evening and > morning on the days before he created the sun and moon, then how did he have > evening and morning? Cleary not necessarily by the time set by the sun to > earth that didn't even occur until the 4th day. > > Perhaps this bothers you because it agrees with both science and the Bible? > > RogerN When the sunrise/sunset period is defined it applies to any TIME. Even the time before the existence of the sun. Here's a mock genesis illustration... On the 1st ugen I created a dimension called curved space. (A ugen will be explained later.) On the 2nd ugen I created all the particles/waves with various energies. (Ugen is undefined but will be defined later.) On the 3rd ugen I created galaxies with black holes at the center, quasars, pulsars, magnetars, neutron stars and most suns. (Ugen is still a mystery..) On the 4th ugen after spreading matter across billions of light years of universe I created an especially crazy ball of rock called earth. (Ugen means what??) On the 5th ugen I created the earth sun and the moon (yawn..that was the 188 billionith moon and sun). Now there's an earth sun. The time for the earth sun to rise and fall is called a ugen. The ugen time period is finally defined. Now there's an impressive time period for goat herders for things I've done before I made the sun. Watch the sun go up and go down and that is the time period I made curved space. Impressed! ..Ooooo ahhhhh. That's fast! And that was before the sun was made. Watch the sun go up and go down that is the time period I made all particles/waves with various energies. Impressed! oOooo Ahhhh..That's fast! And that was before the sun was made. Even is true, God is ridiculous in not using explicit language. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: D from BC on 11 Apr 2010 01:22 In article <y9ednRpS-74Ie13WnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d(a)supernews.com>, eather(a)tpg.com.au says... > > On 30/03/2010 9:35 AM, D from BC wrote: > > mmm sseems a little quiet in SED so... > > Time for another mega-troll. > > > > Are Christian beliefs in conflict with good electronics engineering? > > How can Christian electronics designers still do a good job with > > Christian concepts in their head. This seems like a mind combo that can > > have an impact and lead to potential problems. > > > <snip> ... but some points were funny...<end snip> > > What a Christian believes is this: > > That anyone who believes in the redemption paid for by Christ is given > the gifts of eternal life, and to be known as a son of God. > > The other stuff you are getting so heated up about is not what > Christianity is about. For some people it is more important, for others > less so, but it does not define "Christianity" Christianity is about cherry picking from a slave age book. > > > D from BC, > > As far as people doing good or evil goes, we all understand that choice > is one of, if not the, basic freedom. When people do evil, it is they > who do evil - even if they try to put Gods name on it. People do people things such as full good, semigood/semievil or full blown evil. ex: kill 5 to save 10 is semigood/semievil. > > God is not going to force you into a mould, any more than you would put > a pet dog inside a robot that forces it to greet you in the morning and > brings your slippers in the evening. > > If you have a genuine objection you want to explore, PM is welcomed. There is no good reason as to why to believe in a god. Christian engineers are ridiculous without good reasons. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: RogerN on 11 Apr 2010 08:42 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.262af109315a3b999897b5(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <HM2dnT2NZ77NvVzWnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > regor(a)midwest.net says... >> I believe God could have made everything in 6 days of 24 hours each day, >> complete with billions of years of history from the day it was made. The >> reason I don't think it happened that way is because I don't believe > God put >> the history there just to deceive people. The Genesis account clearly >> says >> evening and morning and the day it was. Do you think God was standing on >> Earth when he created it? The Genesis account also clearly says the time >> for a day wasn't established until the 4th day. So, if God had evening >> and >> morning on the days before he created the sun and moon, then how did he >> have >> evening and morning? Cleary not necessarily by the time set by the sun >> to >> earth that didn't even occur until the 4th day. >> >> Perhaps this bothers you because it agrees with both science and the >> Bible? >> >> RogerN > > When the sunrise/sunset period is defined it applies to any TIME. > Even the time before the existence of the sun. > > Here's a mock genesis illustration... > > On the 1st ugen I created a dimension called curved space. > (A ugen will be explained later.) > > On the 2nd ugen I created all the particles/waves with various energies. > (Ugen is undefined but will be defined later.) > > On the 3rd ugen I created galaxies with black holes at the center, > quasars, pulsars, magnetars, neutron stars and most suns. > (Ugen is still a mystery..) > > On the 4th ugen after spreading matter across billions of light years of > universe I created an especially crazy ball of rock called earth. > (Ugen means what??) > > On the 5th ugen I created the earth sun and the moon (yawn..that was the > 188 billionith moon and sun). > Now there's an earth sun. > The time for the earth sun to rise and fall is called a ugen. > > The ugen time period is finally defined. > Now there's an impressive time period for goat herders for things I've > done before I made the sun. > > Watch the sun go up and go down and that is the time period I made > curved space. Impressed! ..Ooooo ahhhhh. That's fast! And that was > before the sun was made. > > Watch the sun go up and go down that is the time period I made all > particles/waves with various energies. Impressed! oOooo Ahhhh..That's > fast! And that was before the sun was made. > > Even is true, God is ridiculous in not using explicit language. > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia > So you're saying the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd day had no evening and morning or established time for a day but God made the days retroactive when he created a day with the sun and moon? Did you ever think it would be possible that if someone lived on a planet that rotated at a different speed, they would have a day with a different length of time than we have on earth. You seem to think the earth is in the center and the sun orbits the earth. I don't know the original language but those who do claim the word for "day" in Genesis means a period of time, the evening and morning narrows it down to a day, but the time for a day would depend on where (what planet or ?) you were at that time. Since God's kingdom is in Heaven, it would make more sense that the length of time of a "day" was a day in Heaven. Also, in the old and new testament it says a day with God is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. So, the 24 hour day being retroactive seems to be your unique interpretation based on trying every way imaginable to misunderstand or misinterpret the Bible. But while you are trying to convince yourself that God absolutely does not exist, I guess Atheists consider themselves all knowing, people are receiving miracles by the Biblical method. A few Christian folks were praying for God to heal sick people, there was a man that had no eyeballs, they prayed for him for what was a long time to them, about 20 minutes, and continuing. After some time praying, the man opened his eyes for the first time under his own strength and he had blue eyes but he couldn't see very good. So, since the man was able to get eyeballs they believed that God wanted him to have good sight, not just barely able to see, and continued to pray. After some more prayer the man opened his eyes and had brown eyes and could see good. The Christians told a Doctor about it and the doctor explained about babies being born with blue eyes and not having good vision for a while. The man that was prayed for got brand new eyes grown in empty eye sockets in maybe an hours time while people were praying for God to do that. Wow, what a coincidence! :-) Maybe it's possible that there is a God and you just don't know him. RogerN
From: RogerN on 11 Apr 2010 08:56 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.262afc66acdb69a9897b6(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <y9ednRpS-74Ie13WnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d(a)supernews.com>, > eather(a)tpg.com.au says... >> >> On 30/03/2010 9:35 AM, D from BC wrote: >> > mmm sseems a little quiet in SED so... >> > Time for another mega-troll. >> > >> > Are Christian beliefs in conflict with good electronics engineering? >> > How can Christian electronics designers still do a good job with >> > Christian concepts in their head. This seems like a mind combo that can >> > have an impact and lead to potential problems. >> > >> <snip> ... but some points were funny...<end snip> >> >> What a Christian believes is this: >> >> That anyone who believes in the redemption paid for by Christ is given >> the gifts of eternal life, and to be known as a son of God. >> >> The other stuff you are getting so heated up about is not what >> Christianity is about. For some people it is more important, for others >> less so, but it does not define "Christianity" > > Christianity is about cherry picking from a slave age book. > > >> >> >> D from BC, >> >> As far as people doing good or evil goes, we all understand that choice >> is one of, if not the, basic freedom. When people do evil, it is they >> who do evil - even if they try to put Gods name on it. > > People do people things such as full good, semigood/semievil or full > blown evil. ex: kill 5 to save 10 is semigood/semievil. > >> >> God is not going to force you into a mould, any more than you would put >> a pet dog inside a robot that forces it to greet you in the morning > and >> brings your slippers in the evening. >> >> If you have a genuine objection you want to explore, PM is welcomed. > > There is no good reason as to why to believe in a god. > Christian engineers are ridiculous without good reasons. > > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia Atheists claim to be all knowing, they make an absolute claim for something they absolutely do not know and can not know, hopefully that doesn't bleed over into their engineering. "Boss, I designed this circuit on a napkin, go ahead and order 10 million, I absolutely know it will work perfect first time, checking it would be a waste of time, for I am an Atheist, I know all." RogerN
From: David Eather on 11 Apr 2010 19:46
On 11/04/2010 8:27 AM, Jon Kirwan wrote: > On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 06:58:59 +1000, David Eather > <eather(a)tpg.com.au> wrote: > >> On 30/03/2010 9:35 AM, D from BC wrote: >>> mmm sseems a little quiet in SED so... >>> Time for another mega-troll. >>> >>> Are Christian beliefs in conflict with good electronics engineering? >>> How can Christian electronics designers still do a good job with >>> Christian concepts in their head. This seems like a mind combo that can >>> have an impact and lead to potential problems. >>> >> <snip> ... but some points were funny...<end snip> >> >> What a Christian believes is this: >> >> That anyone who believes in the redemption paid for by Christ is given >> the gifts of eternal life, and to be known as a son of God. > > Hi, David. (Thanks for all the earlier help in .basics.) > > Roman Catholics consider themselves Christian and that isn't > what their catechism says about the situation (the big green > book.) See: > > http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/ > > specifically, > > http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect2.shtml#1281 > > "... all those who, without knowing of the Church but > acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God > sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, can be > saved ..." > > (I went to Catholic schools during the week, catechism on > saturdays, church on sundays, for more years than I like to > remember. Western side of the US, which somehow seems to > have been trained more in the liberation theology side of the > Catholic faith than the eastern side of the US, from my > experience.) > > And there are related belief systems, Orthodox of various > varieties, that I don't know about but which may agree, > generally. > > Don't forget that Christians themselves, for century after > century, had differing beliefs about Jesus which ran the > gamut. Various enclaves pretty much argued with each other > by "mail," without any real conclusions about it, for a few > centuries until Constantine, late summer of 325 AD, pretty > much forced them all to start focusing on getting their > collective act together. It wasn't until the 5th ecumenical, > circa 565 AD I think, that the final stake was driven into > the last "heresy" and, in my opinion, immediately led to the > creation of Islam from the faction they ousted that year -- > those Christians in northern Africa. > > One might wonder about the souls of those early Christians, > eh? > > So perhaps even stated the way you chose isn't inclusive > enough to actually define 'christian' well. > >> The other stuff you are getting so heated up about is not what >> Christianity is about. For some people it is more important, for others >> less so, but it does not define "Christianity" > > I haven't come across a definition of Christianity, yet, that > holds up well to scrutiny. Lots of people feel they are in a > position to try, though. > > Jon > I posted to help clear up some matters made unclear by some ill-spirited postings in this thread. Anyone unsure of their faith may see a whole bunch of things, some of which they don't believe, and some they do, and conclude that since they can't swallow everything perhaps they are not Christians or do not have eternal life, which is not the case. I put the simplest case that defines a Christian. If God has made / allowed other ways for people to enter eternal life that's OK with me. I made no comment on that. I only commented on what made someone a Christian, which is a belief in Christ. I also didn't comment on what made a "Baptist", "Catholic", "Lutheran", "Shaker", "Quaker" or any other denomination. Honestly, I don't think God cares about that stuff. When Jesus spoke about the relationship he had with his Father and the relationship the Father wanted with believers the words used most often expressed a close and personal relationship. "Daddy" might be the best English translation and you see that style of relationship all through the gospels and new testament, but most especially in the judgement free acts of forgiveness through out the gospels. It's even in the old testament as well, in places like 1 Kings 19:9-12 where God shows his nature to Elijah as a quite whisper, or 2 Chronicles 30:18-21 where God shows he would rather be near his people than worry about if they have done everything according to the Law. |