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From: RogerN on 10 Apr 2010 09:23 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.262854f992c045d79897a7(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <i1usr5l1ptj0fqcd824n5p7i052famn61h(a)4ax.com>, > OneBigLever(a)InfiniteSeries.Org says... >> >> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:53:01 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> >> wrote: >> >> >In article <i3lrr5tlkktqkpiigh8omr4bbsqu21d8s8(a)4ax.com>, >> >jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... >> >> --- >> >> Duhhh... >> >> >> >> Read Genesis 1. >> >> >> >> God didn't any life into the sea until the fifth day. >> >> >> >> JF >> >> >> > >> > >> >Do you believe ALL sea life was made instantly on the fifth DAY? >> >> I already told you IDIOT! The "day" of God is NOT the same time >> reference as our day. You stupid twit! > > Not all 38000 Christian denominations will agree with you. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-Age_Creationism > > .[83] "Young Earth" creationists believe that the seven "days" of > Genesis 1 correspond to normal 24-hour days while Day-age creationists, > more willing to adjust their religious beliefs to accommodate current > scientific findings, hold that each "day" represents an "age" of perhaps > millions or even billions of years. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_1:2 > > I look at the way it's used in the bible .. > 1st day..2nd day..3rd day.. > > It's quirky to express a timeline as > 1st unknown period of time > 2nd unknown period of time > 3rd unknown period of time. > > More to the point would be: > 'God did this and then did that and then did this....' > > In biblical times goat trading must have been difficult. > One could say they'll pay the next day. > That could mean billions of years! > > A day in biblical times means sunrise to sunset. > Only a god can do that in a day! > Only a retarded God needs more than a day to get things done. > > In the 1700's were people understanding the bible wrong when the age of > the universe wasn't known? > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia > What day was the sun an moon created? How could the relationship of the sun and earth be used as a measure of a day before the sun was created? Genesis 1 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fourth day. I'm certainly no expert here but it looks like the 24hr earth day wasn't established until the fourth day of creation. Notice "Let there be lights... and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and DAYS ..." How can you think Earth days = Creation days when Earth Days weren't established until the 4th day of Creation? You don't understand and the Bible tells why: Daniel 12, 9 He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand. Doesn't this sound foolish to you? Of course it does, you've said so many times. 1 Corinthians 1 18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." 20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. 26Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things-and the things that are not-to nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast before him. 30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God-that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord." RogerN
From: D from BC on 10 Apr 2010 16:22 In article <ZbmdnWME1sye4V3WnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > What day was the sun an moon created? How could the relationship of the sun > and earth be used as a measure of a day before the sun was created? > Once a time reference is known, it can be used to describe time before the time reference existed. If God told people how long he did this and that, then he has to use terms that goat herders will understand. Goat herders understand sunsets and sunrises. To illustrate (God/person interview) How long did it take you to make the sun and the moon? God: Instantly you silly human..I"m all powerful God! Powerful enough to get things done instantly! Ooops...Wrong God.. How long did it take you to make the sun and moon? God: 8797997.980808078796979790797 Fentars or the half life of Baltarium Ooops.. Wrong God again.. How long did it take you to make the sun and moon? God: 1487 cycles of an earth water clock with the following construction (Insert holographic blueprint.) Ooops.. Wrong God again. How long did it take you to make the sun and moon? God: YOu got a word yet for billions of years or a word that means an extremely long time or at the very least an unimpressive meaningless word that means an arbitrary amount of time? 'We don't think that big. We just count goats, slaves and sunrises. But we can probably make up a word for a meaningless amount of time.' The 24hr 'day' time reference is only meaningless when the time reference is NEVER revealed. Even if true, the bible is ridiculous in being interpreted differently by 38000 Christian denominations. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: David Eather on 10 Apr 2010 16:58 On 30/03/2010 9:35 AM, D from BC wrote: > mmm sseems a little quiet in SED so... > Time for another mega-troll. > > Are Christian beliefs in conflict with good electronics engineering? > How can Christian electronics designers still do a good job with > Christian concepts in their head. This seems like a mind combo that can > have an impact and lead to potential problems. > <snip> ... but some points were funny...<end snip> What a Christian believes is this: That anyone who believes in the redemption paid for by Christ is given the gifts of eternal life, and to be known as a son of God. The other stuff you are getting so heated up about is not what Christianity is about. For some people it is more important, for others less so, but it does not define "Christianity" D from BC, As far as people doing good or evil goes, we all understand that choice is one of, if not the, basic freedom. When people do evil, it is they who do evil - even if they try to put Gods name on it. God is not going to force you into a mould, any more than you would put a pet dog inside a robot that forces it to greet you in the morning and brings your slippers in the evening. If you have a genuine objection you want to explore, PM is welcomed.
From: Jon Kirwan on 10 Apr 2010 18:27 On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 06:58:59 +1000, David Eather <eather(a)tpg.com.au> wrote: >On 30/03/2010 9:35 AM, D from BC wrote: >> mmm sseems a little quiet in SED so... >> Time for another mega-troll. >> >> Are Christian beliefs in conflict with good electronics engineering? >> How can Christian electronics designers still do a good job with >> Christian concepts in their head. This seems like a mind combo that can >> have an impact and lead to potential problems. >> ><snip> ... but some points were funny...<end snip> > >What a Christian believes is this: > >That anyone who believes in the redemption paid for by Christ is given >the gifts of eternal life, and to be known as a son of God. Hi, David. (Thanks for all the earlier help in .basics.) Roman Catholics consider themselves Christian and that isn't what their catechism says about the situation (the big green book.) See: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/ specifically, http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect2.shtml#1281 "... all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, can be saved ..." (I went to Catholic schools during the week, catechism on saturdays, church on sundays, for more years than I like to remember. Western side of the US, which somehow seems to have been trained more in the liberation theology side of the Catholic faith than the eastern side of the US, from my experience.) And there are related belief systems, Orthodox of various varieties, that I don't know about but which may agree, generally. Don't forget that Christians themselves, for century after century, had differing beliefs about Jesus which ran the gamut. Various enclaves pretty much argued with each other by "mail," without any real conclusions about it, for a few centuries until Constantine, late summer of 325 AD, pretty much forced them all to start focusing on getting their collective act together. It wasn't until the 5th ecumenical, circa 565 AD I think, that the final stake was driven into the last "heresy" and, in my opinion, immediately led to the creation of Islam from the faction they ousted that year -- those Christians in northern Africa. One might wonder about the souls of those early Christians, eh? So perhaps even stated the way you chose isn't inclusive enough to actually define 'christian' well. >The other stuff you are getting so heated up about is not what >Christianity is about. For some people it is more important, for others >less so, but it does not define "Christianity" I haven't come across a definition of Christianity, yet, that holds up well to scrutiny. Lots of people feel they are in a position to try, though. Jon > > >D from BC, > >As far as people doing good or evil goes, we all understand that choice >is one of, if not the, basic freedom. When people do evil, it is they >who do evil - even if they try to put Gods name on it. > >God is not going to force you into a mould, any more than you would put >a pet dog inside a robot that forces it to greet you in the morning and >brings your slippers in the evening. > >If you have a genuine objection you want to explore, PM is welcomed.
From: D from BC on 10 Apr 2010 18:57
In article <y9ednRpS-74Ie13WnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d(a)supernews.com>, eather(a)tpg.com.au says... > What a Christian believes is this: > > That anyone who believes in the redemption paid for by Christ is given > the gifts of eternal life, and to be known as a son of God. > The redemption is ridiculous. 1) It's unnecessary and unethical for an omnipotent entity to use death as a solution to make change. 2) It's illogical to pay by dieing when there is not a permanent and complete death of the character(covers all bases such as soul,spirit and biology). Jesus did an incomplete business transaction. A better sacrifice is if Jesus died and came back to life as an easter bunny. That's payment! 3) Eternal life is not a gift. It is dog training. Are you a dog? Do you roll over only for the doggie biscuit? Eternal life is the doggie biscuit. Or... Are you rolling over (doesn't matter if there's a biscuit) because you understand that people feel good with pets that can do tricks? Besides...what are you plans for the eternal life? Going to have more kids? Maybe get a castle to live in. Eternal life degrades human life by creating slackers. 'Ohhhh no need to do anything.. Things will be better in the afterlife.' 4) It's ridiculous that trinitarians have God = Jesus. Which means God had a sock puppet(Jesus) just putting on an gratuitous gore show. Credit for the entertainment factor but Jesus doing 'suicide by cop' doesn't look good as a role model. I don't think I can trust a Christian engineer that has a head full of silly Christian stuff. If I hired a Christian engineer...I'll be watching very carefully for any crazy behavior.. -- D from BC British Columbia |