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From: JosephKK on 13 Apr 2010 22:34 On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:28:20 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >In article <8--dnYengp7n_l7WnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d(a)supernews.com>, >eather(a)tpg.com.au says... >> >> On 13/04/2010 3:53 AM, D from BC wrote: >> > In article<hbudnSD14rHQwl_WnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d(a)supernews.com>, >> > eather(a)tpg.com.au says... >> >> If God has made / allowed other ways for people to enter eternal life >> >> that's OK with me. I made no comment on that. I only commented on what >> >> made someone a Christian, which is a belief in Christ. >> >> >> > >> > And what if people don't believe in Christ? >> > Does God's mechanistic death system use illegal power like a criminal >> > holding a gun to your head? >> > Believe or BANG!. (Or perhaps they go to Rogers 'Hell Lite' for slightly >> > evil people.) >> > What happens if you don't believe in Christ/God? >> >> Why ask me? I already said "If God has made / allowed other ways for >> people to enter eternal life that's OK with me." >> >> > >> > Or.. Do you believe in Christ/God just in case. (That's another can of >> > worms.) >> > >> >> I already told you why I believe >> >> > It's ridiculous to be driven by fear and ignorance of that which shows >> > no evidence. >> > Christian engineers are ridiculous in acquiring unnecessary paranoia >> > from Christian concepts. >> >> Show some evidence of that. >> > >Anyone who is afraid to dump Christianity for fear of hell. Each to their own: i would pray there ain't no heaven, and swear there ain't no hell.
From: D from BC on 13 Apr 2010 22:41 In article <a12as5hmre2opv1eg2s3ml96feev49kdgg(a)4ax.com>, jonk(a)infinitefactors.org says... > > Who can say that Job lost faith? His friends wanted to know > what in the heck he must have done that was so bad, of > course. Naturally. Job looked like God's own personal > stomp-puppet to them. They wanted to know what to avoid! Job > argued with them and said he didn't know of anything. Is > that the definition of losing faith? > > Jon > No...That's not Job losing faith. It's Job gaining confusion. I've heard from Christians(Christian denomination #22348?) say that the story of Job is a test of faith..
From: D from BC on 13 Apr 2010 22:49 In article <iumdnWMNL7cBvVjWnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > > "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.262e70dca8f2da939897c3(a)209.197.12.12... > > In article <7dq8s5t72pl0otsppf1mkuuu4iqmvb8g2i(a)4ax.com>, > > jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... > >> -- > >> That isn't evidence, it's just you spouting off at the mouth trying to > >> justify your position by condemning others' > >> > >> If you really want to kill God, why don't you prove that miracles don't > >> exist? > >> > >> JF > >> > > > > Amputees don't get their legs back. > > > > > > > > -- > > D from BC > > British Columbia > > Why not? A man born without eyes got eyes. > > RogerN Got a link? From a nonreligious site! Fox news for example. Should be easy.. Amputees don't grow back arms or legs!
From: RogerN on 13 Apr 2010 23:04 From Dr. J. Vernon McGee about creation. The record of creation is very brief. At best there is one chapter, and there are 1195 chapters in the Bible. Evidently God did not intend to give us very much information. I personally believe that only one verse deals with creation - Genesis 1:1 - and there are 31,173 verses in the Bible. Evidently God is not emphasizing creation. He has something else in mind altogether. And of course the reason there has been so much controversy over the creation account is that God has been so brief. A whimsical story is told by Paul Bellamy, editor of the Cleveland Plain Dealer years ago. He tells of making the rounds one night of the reporters' desks and noticing that one of his men was grinding out a "tape worm" - that is, making a long story out of a relatively unimportant event. He stopped and looked at it. He said, "Cut it down! After all, the story of creation was told in Genesis in 282 words." This reporter shot right back with, "Yes, and I've always thought we could have been saved a lot of arguments later if someone had just written another couple hundred." He was right, it would have saved a lot of arguments; but God did not add those 200 words for a very definite reason. I believe we can see that reason if we look very carefully. Chapters 1 through 11 of Genesis cover probably 2,000 years plus. I believe that plus could be 2,000,000 years or 2,000,000,000 years or 2,000,000,000,000 years. Somebody says, "You don't really think it goes back that far!" Why not? We have a God of eternity. He has eternity behind Him, He has eternity ahead of Him, so He is not crowded by time. You could put in there all the years you need. However, from Genesis 12 through the remainder of the Old Testament only 2,000 years are covered. Where is God placing the emphasis? Why, the Bible is the story of Abraham and his descendants! He devotes ten chapters to the man Abraham; He devotes one verse to creation. Evidently God thought more of Abraham than He did of His entire creation. Look again at something. The four Gospels in the New Testament are contained in 89 chapters. Of these, only four chapters deal with the first 30 years of the life of our Lord; 85 chapters deal with the last three years; 27 chapters deal with the last eight days of His life on earth. Where is God putting the emphasis? He puts it upon the death and resurrection of Christ, of course. Deduction Recognizing that this is God's method, we see that God was not stressing the creation in the Genesis record, but was hurrying in these first few chapters to get to His story - and His story happened to be Abraham, not creation. Today the theologian and the humble Bible believer need to realize that God has told us practically nothing about creation. The method of creation is entirely omitted from the Word of God. There is here an area of silence, and neither science nor theology can speak - though for years both have been trying to fill in this vacuum and have clashed repeatedly in their attempts. No one can be dogmatic where there is so much ignorance. We all need to go back to what Paul said in his letter to the Romans: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead.. (Romans 1:20) That is all you will ever find out about creation. God has revealed only two things: His eternal power and His Godhead. His person and His power are all that He wants to tell you and me in the creation account. And, by the way, that is all He tells us today in the universe. He says no more. We are cast upon God; we are thrown back upon the Bible. Listen to these majestic words: Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. (Hebrews 11:3) He is saying that God did not tell us for the reason that we would not understand it. I do not think that man today could understand how God created this universe. Man does not know enough yet, and certainly he did not at the beginning. Page 16 Therefore God says that it is by faith that we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that the things you see today were made out of things that do not appear. God spoke them into existence. For years the theory was held that matter was eternal. The atomic blast revealed that matter can be destroyed. God spoke and it came into existence. Today even man can speak it out of existence. God expects us to walk by faith. Creation stares us in the face and is shouting to us - the stones are crying out, the stars are singing together, and they all are saying, "He made us! He made us! He made us!" Man in this day, having learned so much, ought to be brought closer to God. A very brilliant young scientist with the Texas Instrument Company in Richardson, Texas, took me through a place where experiments are being conducted. I want to tell you, friends, there are tremendous things coming up in the next few years. He showed me a little piece of cardboard called the "memory card." It is a transistor that can be put in a rocket to guide it for the next ten years. He showed me other amazing things. This keen young experimenter is a Christian, and he said to me, "Most of the men here are atheists. I cannot understand why in this day when we see so much of intelligence in creation that men are not brought to a belief in a living, personal God." They are not, my beloved. Do you know why? Because they must come to God by faith. Creation and salvation must be accepted by faith. Creation deals with matter and space, and it is out there, my friend - you cannot deny it. Salvation is a matter of history, and you cannot deny that. But if you accept either one of them, or both of them, you will have to do it by faith. By faith we understand.
From: D from BC on 13 Apr 2010 23:31
In article <n4ednXOwMdFIvFjWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > > "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.262e6d01f1bc1b529897c0(a)209.197.12.12... > > In article <0le7s5l2qar0dhudv03gl5qoph09cfno7d(a)4ax.com>, > > jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... > >> >Believe or BANG!. (Or perhaps they go to Rogers 'Hell Lite' for slightly > >> >evil people.) > >> >What happens if you don't believe in Christ/God? > >> > >> --- > >> Nothing. > >> --- > >> > > > > Then there's no reason to believe in Christ/God. > > All you got is a story book useful in mollifying slaves. > > > > > > > > -- > > D from BC > > British Columbia > > My computer does nothing if I don't turn it ON, according to your logic > there would be no reason to have a computer. My car doesn't go if I leave > it turned off, does that mean I should take it to a mechanic? You're an > embarrassment to smart Atheists. > > RogerN I claim there is no good reasons as to why to believe in a god. There's no good reason to turn on your imaginary computer. There's no good reason to turn on your imaginary car. There's no good reason to turn on your imaginary God. -- D from BC British Columbia |