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From: Martin Brown on 9 Apr 2010 08:29 Archimedes' Lever wrote: > On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 21:29:35 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> > wrote: > >> Can you rule out that a black hole will not drift into our solar system >> and suck everything up? Yes. Because that is not how black holes work. A planetary mass BH that became bound in the solar system would be a bit of nuisance but then so would any other newly captured planetary mass object. The exiting orbits are not provably stable but they are close to a local optimum that minimises mutual interactions. Black holes still obey Newtons laws of gravity in the weak field limit. It is only when you get really really close that they can cause trouble and you need a full GR treatment. Black holes as demented cosmic vacuum cleaners are the invention of Hollywood. If the moon turned into a black hole overnight nothing much would happen apart from some minor distortion of the background sky in the direction of the moon. Pertubations to its orbital elements would be slightly altered in the longer term because it would behave much more closely like a symmetrical point object. The real moon has masscons. There are a few paperweights floating about in the astronomical community that simulate a lunar mass black hole using CNC on Perspex. > > Yes, I can. > > Why? because a super massive black hole is at our galaxy's center, and > any "approaching" black hole (more of your utter stupidity) would > gravitate to the galaxy center LONG BEFORE it ever got close enough for a > dope like you to think that it could possibly consume part of a galaxy or > one of its arms. You are completely and utterly wrong. The main thing to remember about space is that it is big, really really big. Objects seldom collide or even get very close to each other except in globular clusters and very close to the centres of galaxies. It is pretty safe in the outer spiral arm where nearest neighbours are at least 4 light years away. The black hole at the centre of our galaxy can only grab material from nearby objects that pass within a very tight capture zone around it. Far away in our spiral arm it has next to no influence compared to the total mass of the galaxy and the cold dark matter we cannot see. It is quite possible there are stellar mass black holes floating around the galaxy as the product of overly massive supernovae. There are programs to look for fluctations in the background stars that might betray their location. Plenty of pulsars which are only about 3x the Schwardchild radius and show most of the strong GR effects when accreting matter (as do white dwarfs in binary systems) Regards, Martin Brown
From: D from BC on 9 Apr 2010 13:49 In article <82ctr51d8rf3otmtfv4csifdn7dfeleb12(a)4ax.com>, OneBigLever(a)InfiniteSeries.Org says... > > On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 21:29:35 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> > wrote: > > >You can't rule out Zeus. > > > Yes, we can. Any and all pagan "gods" are quite easy to rule out. > > Not by someone as dumb as you are, but they can, nonetheless. No you can't. You can't rule out(by evidence) that Zeus doesn't exist. How do you know what forces exist in the realm of Zeus. If Zeus doesn't reveal himself it's because he is far beyond your understanding. You can't rule out Zeus because people don't know everything (every molecule in the universe) and this makes a free pass (as per RogerN) for the possibility of anything being possible. That reasoning is ridiculous because it's not exclusive to God and it's the weakest support for God. The use of weak evidence is evidence there is no evidence for God. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: D from BC on 9 Apr 2010 14:10 In article <i5ctr5teeldk6n95rrslickcmejdjv57sv(a)4ax.com>, OneBigLever(a)InfiniteSeries.Org says... > > On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 21:29:35 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> > wrote: > > >Can you rule out that a black hole will not drift into our solar system > >and suck everything up? > > Yes, I can. > > Why? because a super massive black hole is at our galaxy's center, and > any "approaching" black hole (more of your utter stupidity) would > gravitate to the galaxy center LONG BEFORE it ever got close enough for a > dope like you to think that it could possibly consume part of a galaxy or > one of its arms. > > So, it would be evident on its approach because despite the black hole > being unable to be seen, all the things it consumes and captures in its > gravity would be prior to it being consumed. So we would see it long > before it arrived, and we would see that it is moving to the center of > the galaxy. That is aside from the fact that just like stars, black > holes are not moving about the universe hap-hazardly, so it would never > happen to begin with. > > In other words, your grasp of physics is about the same as Johnson's > grasp of geology. A black hole gobbled up the two neurons that you had > some years back. It is glaringly obvious too. > > I recommend that you go take some dLSD25, say about 300�g. Make sure > that the idiot that made it fractionated all of the ALD52 out of it. > > I can guarantee that you come back believing in creation. > > You may be depressed though, upon realizing your ultimate fate, since I > fear that your case is all but hopeless. That's very good. As per RogerN, 'it's not ruled out until it's ruled out.' You can't rule out an invisible entity watching you at this very moment. Nor can you rule out that the invisible entity watching you is purple... Nor can you rule out that the purple invisible entity watching you is powerful enough to know the future but is powerless to change it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance Christian engineers are ridiculous in using the weakest of arguments for the existence of God. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: D from BC on 9 Apr 2010 14:23 In article <k2dtr59tun72r573570q4uprc03ndf3jrt(a)4ax.com>, OneBigLever(a)InfiniteSeries.Org says... > > On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 21:29:35 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> > wrote: > > >The 'considered until ruled out' argument applies to an endless amount > >of imagined things. > > We imagine that you are a goddamned idiot, and it is 100% ruled IN. Considering the probability of God is no different than considering the probability that the earth is a bio simulation running on an alien supercomputer. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: Archimedes' Lever on 9 Apr 2010 18:42
On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:29:40 +0100, Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: >It is quite possible there are stellar mass black holes floating around >the galaxy as the product of overly massive supernovae. Well that was pretty dumb thing to say after that great, enlightened precursory belch. Why dumb? Because, it is CERTAIN, not merely "quite possible", that this galaxy contains MANY black holes, not merely the SMBH at its center. No need to even adopt or analyze the probability. It is absolutely certain that they exist and are quite numerous. Just doing the easy math proves that. They literally HAVE to be here, and in great number. We "see" the SMBH at our galaxy's center due to the local perturbations it induces in other nearby visible masses (not human visible spectrum), which allowed us to even discover it and prove its existence. Since we are not looking around our VERY, VERY optically dense galactic spiral arms, we will not be documenting any or counting any of them any time soon though that still may well happen at some time in the future. That doesn't mean that we cannot say for sure that they are here, and in great number, and be CERTAIN about it. The life of a star can take several paths. Since we know that one of those paths can result in the formation of a black hole, we can be certain that they are in our galaxy, and that they are fairly great in number, merely by using the galactic star count as a baseline. Even if the number is 0.0000001%, the number of them would still be pretty big. |