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From: RogerN on 10 Apr 2010 21:04 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.262a7dfeef7673519897b1(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <ZbmdnWME1sye4V3WnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > regor(a)midwest.net says... >> What day was the sun an moon created? How could the relationship of the >> sun >> and earth be used as a measure of a day before the sun was created? >> > > Once a time reference is known, it can be used to describe time before > the time reference existed. > > If God told people how long he did this and that, then he has to use > terms that goat herders will understand. > Goat herders understand sunsets and sunrises. > > To illustrate (God/person interview) > How long did it take you to make the sun and the moon? > God: Instantly you silly human..I"m all powerful God! Powerful enough to > get things done instantly! > > Ooops...Wrong God.. > > How long did it take you to make the sun and moon? > God: 8797997.980808078796979790797 Fentars or the half life of Baltarium > > Ooops.. Wrong God again.. > > > How long did it take you to make the sun and moon? > God: 1487 cycles of an earth water clock with the following construction > (Insert holographic blueprint.) > > Ooops.. Wrong God again. > > How long did it take you to make the sun and moon? > God: YOu got a word yet for billions of years or a word that means an > extremely long time or at the very least an unimpressive meaningless > word that means an arbitrary amount of time? > 'We don't think that big. We just count goats, slaves and sunrises. But > we can probably make up a word for a meaningless amount of time.' > > The 24hr 'day' time reference is only meaningless when the time > reference is NEVER revealed. > > Even if true, the bible is ridiculous in being interpreted differently > by 38000 Christian denominations. > > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia I believe God could have made everything in 6 days of 24 hours each day, complete with billions of years of history from the day it was made. The reason I don't think it happened that way is because I don't believe God put the history there just to deceive people. The Genesis account clearly says evening and morning and the day it was. Do you think God was standing on Earth when he created it? The Genesis account also clearly says the time for a day wasn't established until the 4th day. So, if God had evening and morning on the days before he created the sun and moon, then how did he have evening and morning? Cleary not necessarily by the time set by the sun to earth that didn't even occur until the 4th day. Perhaps this bothers you because it agrees with both science and the Bible? RogerN
From: Jon Kirwan on 10 Apr 2010 21:07 On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:57:32 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >In article <y9ednRpS-74Ie13WnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d(a)supernews.com>, >eather(a)tpg.com.au says... >> What a Christian believes is this: >> >> That anyone who believes in the redemption paid for by Christ is given >> the gifts of eternal life, and to be known as a son of God. > >The redemption is ridiculous. The whole idea is made up out of whole cloth. If it weren't in some scripture, it would have been placed in the Golden Book of Fairy Tales. >1) It's unnecessary and unethical for an omnipotent entity to use death >as a solution to make change. >2) It's illogical to pay by dieing when there is not a permanent and >complete death of the character(covers all bases such as soul,spirit and >biology). Jesus did an incomplete business transaction. >A better sacrifice is if Jesus died and came back to life as an easter >bunny. >That's payment! > >3) Eternal life is not a gift. It is dog training. >Are you a dog? Do you roll over only for the doggie biscuit? >Eternal life is the doggie biscuit. >Or... >Are you rolling over (doesn't matter if there's a biscuit) because you >understand that people feel good with pets that can do tricks? > >Besides...what are you plans for the eternal life? Going to have more >kids? Maybe get a castle to live in. >Eternal life degrades human life by creating slackers. >'Ohhhh no need to do anything.. Things will be better in the afterlife.' > >4) It's ridiculous that trinitarians have God = Jesus. Which means God >had a sock puppet(Jesus) just putting on an gratuitous gore show. >Credit for the entertainment factor but Jesus doing 'suicide by cop' >doesn't look good as a role model. The rest of the above is niggling. The basic thrust is that most of the ideas about god and heaven (often, just a bunch of ad hoc rules with no more logic than whimsy) held by most Christians in the US are manifestly ridiculous. As you say, already. It's enough to just stop there and let them worry about the rest. >I don't think I can trust a Christian engineer that has a >head full of silly Christian stuff. Well, you already know that many great scientists have been Christian. Galileo was a sycophant, of sorts, for example. Doesn't much alter the quality and magnitude of his work. Some Christians are likely to remind you about this. A difference, back then, is that he didn't have any viable alternatives to consider; no thorough, unified body of science; and so much that had no explanation of any kind. Today, a lot more does have good theory to predict and explain a great deal of it. So the circumstances a rational person faces are somewhat different, today. >If I hired a Christian engineer...I'll be watching very >carefully for any crazy behavior.. I might want to imagine that our thinking takes place simultaneously in some vast, mutually interfering quantum multiverse, for example. But so long as I take it tentatively and don't elevate it to the level of an Absolute Truth Value about the world around me and impose this Truth upon others as though they were natural facts, then you are probably relatively safe. :) If, on the other hand, I decided to elevate that idea to an Absolute Truth, I might just as well decide that you could afford to _lose_ one of your multiverse instances without the act actually qualifying as murder, since there would be an infinite number of you still hanging around in other multiverses. You wouldn't actually be dead, under this new Truth. ;) Saying this much, I understand your trepidation. Most Christians are unable to hold their views tentatively and most _do_ elevate their internal belief systems to Absolute Truth Value. And of those, there is a subset quite willing to impose those "Truths" on others, with murder and mayhem if necessary. I suppose I'd by and large feel a lot safer around someone packing a gun whose internal beliefs were tentative and subject to evidence than one whose beliefs were held as Absolute and Immune. Though I'm sure we could pony up some counter examples to make it interesting. I sometimes quote Steven Weinberg (Nobel Laureate, physics) who remarked, at a meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington, D.C., "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion." It would be nice if each of us could just recognize that internally held beliefs (we all have a lot of them) are tentative and be willing to sincerely engage others when differences exist by dealing with facts in evidence (reality as we experience it) fairly and honestly, rather than with "it's my Truth, or your Consequence." Bhuddists are generally safe to be around, though. ;) Hire them freely. Jon
From: VWWall on 10 Apr 2010 21:21 RogerN wrote: > "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.262a7dfeef7673519897b1(a)209.197.12.12... >> In article <ZbmdnWME1sye4V3WnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, >> regor(a)midwest.net says... >>> What day was the sun an moon created? How could the relationship of the >>> sun >>> and earth be used as a measure of a day before the sun was created? >>> >> Once a time reference is known, it can be used to describe time before >> the time reference existed. >> >> If God told people how long he did this and that, then he has to use >> terms that goat herders will understand. >> Goat herders understand sunsets and sunrises. >> >> To illustrate (God/person interview) >> How long did it take you to make the sun and the moon? >> God: Instantly you silly human..I"m all powerful God! Powerful enough to >> get things done instantly! >> >> Ooops...Wrong God.. >> >> How long did it take you to make the sun and moon? >> God: 8797997.980808078796979790797 Fentars or the half life of Baltarium >> >> Ooops.. Wrong God again.. >> >> >> How long did it take you to make the sun and moon? >> God: 1487 cycles of an earth water clock with the following construction >> (Insert holographic blueprint.) >> >> Ooops.. Wrong God again. >> >> How long did it take you to make the sun and moon? >> God: YOu got a word yet for billions of years or a word that means an >> extremely long time or at the very least an unimpressive meaningless >> word that means an arbitrary amount of time? >> 'We don't think that big. We just count goats, slaves and sunrises. But >> we can probably make up a word for a meaningless amount of time.' >> >> The 24hr 'day' time reference is only meaningless when the time >> reference is NEVER revealed. >> >> Even if true, the bible is ridiculous in being interpreted differently >> by 38000 Christian denominations. >> >> >> -- >> D from BC >> British Columbia > > I believe God could have made everything in 6 days of 24 hours each day, > complete with billions of years of history from the day it was made. The > reason I don't think it happened that way is because I don't believe God put > the history there just to deceive people. The Genesis account clearly says > evening and morning and the day it was. Do you think God was standing on > Earth when he created it? The Genesis account also clearly says the time > for a day wasn't established until the 4th day. So, if God had evening and > morning on the days before he created the sun and moon, then how did he have > evening and morning? Cleary not necessarily by the time set by the sun to > earth that didn't even occur until the 4th day. > > Perhaps this bothers you because it agrees with both science and the Bible? > God had it easy! He didn't have to make the universe backward compatible. -- VWWall, P.E.
From: RogerN on 10 Apr 2010 22:41 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.262aa22c65ba53b79897b3(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <y9ednRpS-74Ie13WnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d(a)supernews.com>, > eather(a)tpg.com.au says... >> What a Christian believes is this: >> >> That anyone who believes in the redemption paid for by Christ is given >> the gifts of eternal life, and to be known as a son of God. >> > > The redemption is ridiculous. > 1) It's unnecessary and unethical for an omnipotent entity to use death > as a solution to make change. > 2) It's illogical to pay by dieing when there is not a permanent and > complete death of the character(covers all bases such as soul,spirit and > biology). Jesus did an incomplete business transaction. > A better sacrifice is if Jesus died and came back to life as an easter > bunny. > That's payment! > > 3) Eternal life is not a gift. It is dog training. > Are you a dog? Do you roll over only for the doggie biscuit? > Eternal life is the doggie biscuit. > Or... > Are you rolling over (doesn't matter if there's a biscuit) because you > understand that people feel good with pets that can do tricks? > > Besides...what are you plans for the eternal life? Going to have more > kids? Maybe get a castle to live in. > Eternal life degrades human life by creating slackers. > 'Ohhhh no need to do anything.. Things will be better in the afterlife.' > > 4) It's ridiculous that trinitarians have God = Jesus. Which means God > had a sock puppet(Jesus) just putting on an gratuitous gore show. > Credit for the entertainment factor but Jesus doing 'suicide by cop' > doesn't look good as a role model. > > I don't think I can trust a Christian engineer that has a head full of > silly Christian stuff. > If I hired a Christian engineer...I'll be watching very carefully for > any crazy behavior.. > > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia If I ever got to the point that I had to work for someone like you, I'd stop believing in God, or at least think I arrived in Hell. RogerN
From: D from BC on 10 Apr 2010 23:24
In article <6r42s5p65ktr63quqd8po9fmrvfkis6vho(a)4ax.com>, jonk(a)infinitefactors.org says... > Bhuddists are generally safe to be around, though. ;) Hire > them freely. > It maybe hard to know when a Buddhist engineer is working. They could be thinking or meditating on the job.. :P -- D from BC British Columbia |