Does God need to prove He exists?
in [Physics]
|
From: BuddyThunder on 7 Jul 2008 00:33 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 5:02 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 6, 11:04�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>> Alex W. wrote: >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:b9d055c5-7a5b-4534-9703-63f1e75e9648(a)56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >>>>> Your spirit is made of spirit. �You cannot transplant it. >>>>> ======= >>>>> There is always possession .... >>>> And actually the one thing we do know about spirit, is that is i NOT >>>> limited to an earthly body, so it can move independently of it if it wants. >>>> So yet one more lie from robbo. >>> The spirit of a human being wants to stay in the body because that is >>> the best place for it until the person dies. >> Where in the body is it housed? > > The entire body. Ye gods, is it tied up somehow in our circulatory system? How much does it weigh? What is it made of? If I have a multiple personality disorder, can I house more than one? Can it become inflamed? You seem to be describing something physical. Can you clarify?
From: BuddyThunder on 7 Jul 2008 00:33 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 5:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 6, 2:16 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 6, 1:00 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 5, 3:53�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:62956527-c824-415d-93ab-cdbf47127a02(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 9:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> For the umpteenth time, we cannot tell Jesus anything. >>>>>>>>> If he existed at all, he died nearly 2,000 years ago. >>>>>>>>> Apart from an alleged brief visit shortly afterward, he hasn't been seen >>>>>>>>> since. >>>>>>>>> How can we tell him anything, huh? >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>> Well, it is called prayer. �Christians are commanded to pray. >>>>>>>> ==================== >>>>>>>> And you're sure your prayer gets through ... even though no-one in the >>>>>>>> history of Christian prayer has ever answered. �You know, if I dial a number >>>>>>>> and get no connection, I may try a few more times, but sooner or later I >>>>>>>> realise that there's no phone at the other end .... >>>>>>> Well, mine get answered. What made you think they were not? >>>>>> Shall we do some double-blind tests? Would you like to submit that claim >>>>>> to scrutiny? It would really help me believe, because theists are always >>>>>> talking about answered prayer, and mine were met with nothing but stony >>>>>> silence.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth >>>>> to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him. >>>>> 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth >>>>> is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed, >>>>> 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the >>>>> Lord. >>>> I wouldn't expect God to start taking *my* calls now after having >>>> ignored them entirely for five years, but *you* still have faith. We >>>> could test the efficacy of *your* prayers. >>>> Feel up to it? :-)- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Why do you want to test my prayers? >> So you'd be able to back up your claim that prayer (yours, mine, >> anyone's) is actually answered.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > According to scripture unless a prayer is asked in faith it will not > be answered. So? You have faith, right?
From: BuddyThunder on 7 Jul 2008 00:37 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 5:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 6, 11:11 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 6, 2:46 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:e765a085-e079-4808-aa79-7244fc499d79(a)25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> On Jul 5, 3:53�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:62956527-c824-415d-93ab-cdbf47127a02(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 9:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> For the umpteenth time, we cannot tell Jesus anything. >>>>>>>>> If he existed at all, he died nearly 2,000 years ago. >>>>>>>>> Apart from an alleged brief visit shortly afterward, he hasn't been >>>>>>>>> seen >>>>>>>>> since. >>>>>>>>> How can we tell him anything, huh? >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>> Well, it is called prayer. �Christians are commanded to pray. >>>>>>>> ==================== >>>>>>>> And you're sure your prayer gets through ... even though no-one in the >>>>>>>> history of Christian prayer has ever answered. �You know, if I dial a >>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>> and get no connection, I may try a few more times, but sooner or later I >>>>>>>> realise that there's no phone at the other end .... >>>>>>> Well, mine get answered. What made you think they were not? >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> You're confusion in just about everything leads us to that conclusion. >>>>>> Ever had a prayer that hasn't been answered?? >>>>>> No wait, I get it, you'll probably tell me it has always been answered, but >>>>>> not in the way you wanted. >>>>>> We hear that all of the time. >>>>>> Classic example of self-deception. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Steve O >>>>> Some people just cannot take no for an answer. Well, we know atheists >>>>> have an agenda. >>>> we don't. >>>> What I cannot personally understand is how atheists >>>>> expect to be able to run their agenda on God. It is just not going to >>>>> work. >>>> The exact meaning of atheism is 'without reference to (a) god'. >>>> Christians think that atheists don't believe in God. That's not true. >>>> Atheists simply don't use belief at all. God is ignored as being too >>>> loose a concept to be of practical value. >>>> Atheists do not give a toss about Christians or what they believe except >>>> when they insist of injecting their nonsense into other peoples minds. >>> You mean like atheists do with the school system? >> Why do you find education so objectionable?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > It never did me much good, but, on the other hand, there was a lot of > misinformation that caused me a lot of trouble. Are you able to pinpoint anything in specific? These vague terms don't help us understand each other, and remove the possibility of fixing the problem. I would fight shoulder to shoulder with you to remove it. Schools should educate, not indoctrinate. So, what atheistic propaganda should be removed from schools?
From: BuddyThunder on 7 Jul 2008 00:41 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 5:05 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 6, 11:07 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 6, 1:01�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> Smiler wrote: >>>>>>> "Free Lunch" <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:i2nt649tvtdd1sofkag02co4c9n4s1vt6e(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 19:26:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 8:42?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 3:03?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Alex W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========== >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart >>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists claim >>>>>>>>>>>>> that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. >>>>>>>>>>>> Which to me indicates you have no idea what sin, or repentance, is. >>>>>>>>>>>>> ========== >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the god(s) >>>>>>>>>>>>> worshipped >>>>>>>>>>>>> ... or not, as the case may be.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Sin is wilful disobedience of God. ?Repentance is confessing and >>>>>>>>>>> forsaking sin. >>>>>>>>>> As far as we can tell, God is a human invention. God never told us to do >>>>>>>>>> anything. Sin, therefore, is also a human invention.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> So once an atheist enters into sin, there is no turning back from >>>>>>>>> it. � I guess that was why Josef Stalin killed 12 million people. >>>>>>>> God is still a human invention. Clearly the fear of God does not stop >>>>>>>> you from lying in almost every post. >>>>>>>> I will not respond to you for a while, you have become far too nasty in >>>>>>>> your discussions here. >>>>>>> That's exactly what he wants! >>>>>>> If everyone ignored him, he would be free to spread his lies without >>>>>>> opposition. >>>>>>> The answer is to fight his lies, nastyness and stupidity with the reply it >>>>>>> deserves...Ho! <whack>. >>>>>> If there's something worth a response, I will respond. If it's nothing >>>>>> but silly lies, unevidenced assertions or "atheists are Nazis" nonsense, >>>>>> then the whacking will come.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> I believe that atheists are exactly like Nazis. That has been my >>>>> experience with them. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> I believe fundamental christians are just like Nazis. >>>> they both know they are justified in anything, because they are >>>> completely right (wing?) >>>> .- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Not me. I am registered as an independent voter. >> You can be right-wing without being aligned with any major political >> party. I'm a leftie, but I'm not a member of the Greens or the Labour >> Party here in NZ.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > You do not understand. I believe that all political parties are > pretty much the same. They are all bad government. Oh. Fine. I have no wish for a political tete-a-tete. I thought you were inferring that you somehow couldn't be right-wing without joining the repubs.
From: BuddyThunder on 7 Jul 2008 00:42
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 5:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 6, 11:02�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God. �Bearing false >>>>> witness about me would fall under the category of willful disobedience >>>>> of God. >>>> In that case you are totally guilty of that exact sin. >>>> We have already established by your own definitions that you are a >>>> sinful person (onkl Jesus is free of sin you said) , and your lack of >>>> charity excommnunicates you as a Christian. (you wont talk to God on >>>> anyones behalf..) >>>> I think you are in deep trouble, dude. >>> No, I am fine. I say a little prayer every once in a while about >>> atheists. >> That one ever get answered? ;-)- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, I know one atheist who became a Christian. Ah nice. I was just such a man. I eventually grew out of it though. :-) |