Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: The Natural Philosopher on 7 Jul 2008 06:50 BuddyThunder wrote: > rbwinn wrote: >> On Jul 6, 11:04�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>> Alex W. wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:b9d055c5-7a5b-4534-9703-63f1e75e9648(a)56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>> Your spirit is made of spirit. �You cannot transplant it. >>>> ======= >>>> There is always possession .... >>> And actually the one thing we do know about spirit, is that is i NOT >>> limited to an earthly body, so it can move independently of it if it >>> wants. >>> >>> So yet one more lie from robbo. >> >> The spirit of a human being wants to stay in the body because that is >> the best place for it until the person dies. > > Where in the body is it housed? In the same place a program is housed in a computer?
From: The Natural Philosopher on 7 Jul 2008 07:01 BuddyThunder wrote: > rbwinn wrote: >> >> Well, OK. I could point out a few things, for instance, spirit of >> anger, spirit of contention, etc. So what do you atheists do to tell >> someone is angry, just look to see if their face gets red? I >> personally can feel the spirit of the thing. The way you atheists do >> it, someone could be having a heatstroke, and you would just think >> they were angry. > > I don't talk about a "spirit of anger", although I see lots of that kind > of rhetoric on TBN. Unless some (external) consciousness can be > demonstrated, then it's just a personification of a natural phenomenon. > That's just what religions do! :-) > Indeed, and to a less sophisticated mind than the modern, that should not be so criticised..many natural phenomena seem to occur with apparent intent, form and direction. Science preserves the noumenal side of the mystical worldview in the form of natural laws. If you take the personality and intention out of 'God-the Creator' you end up with no real difference in actual theoretical *shape* from the big bang. I.e at some point in the (past) an event of Creation happened, that set the course of the Universe on its present path. And that it involved a lot of creation of LIGHT (energy) out of essentially a formless empty void. I bet if you tried to translate modern theories into the ancient languages that were around when Genesis was first spoken as an oral history, you would have a problem sayng it uch different from how it appears.. My beef with religion, is it clings to the language and simplistic worldviews of stone age people: re-visiting the Bible with modern knowledge, one is suprised at how sophisticated it actually is. , > Do you believe that something supernatural is occuring when someone is > angry, that is absent when they simply get heatstroke? > Well do you believe that something supernatural is happening when a stone falls to the ground? Its no different oin principle: we assume a supernatural non personal force called 'gravity' instead of a supernatural personal force called 'the spirit of anger' > I don't personally have difficulty with telling the two apart, it has > nothing to do with somehow detecting some "essence" or "force", it's a > simple case of observation. No, its a question of the noumenous reality you presuppose to lie behind the phenomena.
From: The Natural Philosopher on 7 Jul 2008 07:20 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 5:02 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 6, 11:04�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>> Alex W. wrote: >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:b9d055c5-7a5b-4534-9703-63f1e75e9648(a)56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >>>>> Your spirit is made of spirit. �You cannot transplant it. >>>>> ======= >>>>> There is always possession .... >>>> And actually the one thing we do know about spirit, is that is i NOT >>>> limited to an earthly body, so it can move independently of it if it wants. >>>> So yet one more lie from robbo. >>> The spirit of a human being wants to stay in the body because that is >>> the best place for it until the person dies. >> Where in the body is it housed? > > The entire body. And somewhat beyond as well, according to eastern mystics. > Robert B. Winn
From: The Natural Philosopher on 7 Jul 2008 07:23 hhyapster(a)gmail.com wrote: > > Yes, Free Lunch may be feeling just as tired as I do. > You don't have a sane mind and cannot argue logically and reasonably. Of course not. Religion as Robbo understands it is not a matter of logic, merely of blind ignorant Faith. The sort of Blind Ignorant Faith that has kept an RC person of my acquaintance pursuing a career, which in the time I have known him, has never actually produced any income whatsoever.
From: The Natural Philosopher on 7 Jul 2008 07:31
hhyapster(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > Since we know that when human die, every thing is gone. > The body decays and the consciousness disappear too. Nothing, except > memory and children, stay. > This is the human cycle and you are blind to it? > As I have said before, lots of human like you are greedy, they want to > be eternal. But an imaginary eternal heaven is for their god/gods, and > not for human. > Why are you always wanting to equate heaven for human, when it is > supposed to be the home for god/gods? What sane sense do you have? The point is, that people who have nothing to lose except their lives, are not controllable politically. If you give them something to lose beyond that - their immortal souls - and tell them if they go against the particular political institution you put in place to control them as slaves - the church, they will lose even that, then they may just be stupid enough to go along with the fiction. Christianity offers two things to slaves: It makes them feel self important, and it tells them that if they are good little slaves, they will be equal to the highest in the land - possibly more than equal. Cui Bono? The slavemasters and priests, of course. Robbo is just a good little member of the Church of Latter Day Slaves, that's all. The thought that he is an unimportant person, and will always be that way, and that no one, not even God, actually gives a toss about him, and once he is dead they will care even less, is so unappealing to his ego, that he cannot bear to even consider the possibility it is true. It takes great courage to be an Atheist, courage and humility. Robbo has neither. All he has is his Faith. Remove that and he has nothing. |