Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 6 Jul 2008 22:56 On Jul 6, 5:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 6, 11:11 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 6, 2:46 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:e765a085-e079-4808-aa79-7244fc499d79(a)25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com.... > >>>>> On Jul 5, 3:53�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>news:62956527-c824-415d-93ab-cdbf47127a02(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>> On Jul 4, 9:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> For the umpteenth time, we cannot tell Jesus anything. > >>>>>>> If he existed at all, he died nearly 2,000 years ago. > >>>>>>> Apart from an alleged brief visit shortly afterward, he hasn't been > >>>>>>> seen > >>>>>>> since. > >>>>>>> How can we tell him anything, huh? > >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>> Well, it is called prayer. �Christians are commanded to pray. > >>>>>> ==================== > >>>>>> And you're sure your prayer gets through ... even though no-one in the > >>>>>> history of Christian prayer has ever answered. �You know, if I dial a > >>>>>> number > >>>>>> and get no connection, I may try a few more times, but sooner or later I > >>>>>> realise that there's no phone at the other end .... > >>>>> Well, mine get answered.  What made you think they were not? > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> You're confusion in just about everything leads us to that conclusion. > >>>> Ever had a prayer that hasn't been answered?? > >>>> No wait, I get it, you'll probably tell me it has always been answered, but > >>>> not in the way you wanted. > >>>> We hear that all of the time. > >>>> Classic example of self-deception. > >>>> -- > >>>> Steve O > >>> Some people just cannot take no for an answer.  Well, we know atheists > >>> have an agenda.  > >> we don't. > > >> What I cannot personally understand is how atheists > > >>> expect to be able to run their agenda on God.  It is just not going to > >>> work. > >> The exact meaning of atheism is 'without reference to (a) god'. > > >> Christians think that atheists don't believe in God. That's not true. > >> Atheists simply don't use belief at all. God is ignored as being too > >> loose a concept to be of practical value. > > >> Atheists do not give a toss about Christians or what they believe except > >> when they insist of injecting their nonsense into other peoples minds. > > > You mean like atheists do with the school system? > > Why do you find education so objectionable?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It never did me much good, but, on the other hand, there was a lot of misinformation that caused me a lot of trouble. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 6 Jul 2008 22:58 On Jul 6, 5:05 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 6, 11:07 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 6, 1:01�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> Smiler wrote: > >>>>> "Free Lunch" <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote in message > >>>>>news:i2nt649tvtdd1sofkag02co4c9n4s1vt6e(a)4ax.com... > >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 19:26:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>> On Jul 4, 8:42?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 3:03?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Alex W. wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>>news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>>>news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable > >>>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. > >>>>>>>>>>>> =========== > >>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart > >>>>>>>>>>>> choice is > >>>>>>>>>>>> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... > >>>>>>>>>>> No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists claim > >>>>>>>>>>> that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. > >>>>>>>>>> Which to me indicates you have no idea what sin, or repentance, is. > >>>>>>>>>>> ========== > >>>>>>>>>>> Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the god(s) > >>>>>>>>>>> worshipped > >>>>>>>>>>> ... or not, as the case may be.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> Sin is wilful disobedience of God. ?Repentance is confessing and > >>>>>>>>> forsaking sin. > >>>>>>>> As far as we can tell, God is a human invention. God never told us to do > >>>>>>>> anything. Sin, therefore, is also a human invention.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> So once an atheist enters into sin, there is no turning back from > >>>>>>> it. � I guess that was why Josef Stalin killed 12 million people. > >>>>>> God is still a human invention. Clearly the fear of God does not stop > >>>>>> you from lying in almost every post. > >>>>>> I will not respond to you for a while, you have become far too nasty in > >>>>>> your discussions here. > >>>>> That's exactly what he wants! > >>>>> If everyone ignored him, he would be free to spread his lies without > >>>>> opposition. > >>>>> The answer is to fight his lies, nastyness and stupidity with the reply it > >>>>> deserves...Ho! <whack>. > >>>> If there's something worth a response, I will respond. If it's nothing > >>>> but silly lies, unevidenced assertions or "atheists are Nazis" nonsense, > >>>> then the whacking will come.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> I believe that atheists are exactly like Nazis.  That has been my > >>> experience with them. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> I believe fundamental christians are just like Nazis. > > >> they both know they are justified in anything, because they are > >> completely right (wing?) > >> .- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Not me.  I am registered as an independent voter. > > You can be right-wing without being aligned with any major political > party. I'm a leftie, but I'm not a member of the Greens or the Labour > Party here in NZ.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You do not understand. I believe that all political parties are pretty much the same. They are all bad government. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 6 Jul 2008 22:58 On Jul 6, 5:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 6, 11:02�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God. �Bearing false > >>> witness about me would fall under the category of willful disobedience > >>> of God. > >> In that case you are totally guilty of that exact sin. > > >> We have already established by your own definitions that you are a > >> sinful person (onkl Jesus is free of sin you said) , and your lack of > >> charity excommnunicates you as a Christian. (you wont talk to God on > >> anyones behalf..) > > >> I think you are in deep trouble, dude. > > > No, I am fine.  I say a little prayer every once in a while about > > atheists. > > That one ever get answered? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I know one atheist who became a Christian. Robert B. Winn
From: hhyapster on 6 Jul 2008 23:00 On Jul 5, 8:19 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 4, 6:37 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:09 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 3, 7:19 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 4, 6:33 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2:01 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 2, 5:52�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >>> On Jul 2, 2:15�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > >>>>> On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch..us> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ... > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> States. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> assistance. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> right? > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant.. This has > > > > > > >>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > > > > > > >>>>>>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > > > > > > >>>>>>>> claim on your part. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > > > > > > >>>>>>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > > > > > > >>>>>>>> confirms my assessment. > > > > > > >>>>>>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > > > > > > >>>>>>> reproduction control. > > > > > > >>>>>> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now > > > > > > >>>>>> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >>>>> Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United > > > > > > >>>>> States? �We know they do in China. �However, there are a lot of women > > > > > > >>>>> in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental > > > > > > >>>>> institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally > > > > > > >>>>> was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > > > > > >>>> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >>> I am not playing a game. �Atheists run China, and women in China > > > > > > >>> definitely do get government ordered abortions. �It also happens here > > > > > > >>> in the United States. > > > > > > >> Again, bullshit. Provide one *documented* example of it happening in > > > > > > >> the US. Not an anecdote about some woman you claim to know. Your > > > > > > >> credibility is zero until you back up your claim.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Well, I would suspect that nothing like that ever gets documented. > > > > > > > Here in Phoenix a woman went to an abortion clinic, bled to death > > > > > > > after the doctor went home, and the staff of the abortion clinic put > > > > > > > her in the trunk of a car. Strangely, the police discovered when they > > > > > > > found her body that none of it had been documented. So we do know > > > > > > > that sometimes things do not get documented. > > > > > > > That is kind of sad. You have to do a lot of back-pedalling to try to > > > > > > square your opinions with some vague notion of reality, don't you!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Your claim is that no woman in the United States has ever been > > > > > subjected to reproductive control. I say you are wrong. I personally > > > > > know a woman who was. So let's talk about China. Do you claim that > > > > > no women in China have ever been subjected to reproduction control? I > > > > > believe that you atheists have a plan in place for the entire world, > > > > > not just the United States and China. > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Yes, our plan is to rid this world of loonies and bigotry which is > > > > leading the way backwards.... > > > > You find that so bad?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, I believe Adolf Hitler had a similar plan. Just get rid of > > > the inferior beings, and everything will be wonderful, right? So how > > > does that get rid of bigotry? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > No, Hitler planned for his race. > > We want to get rid of falsehood/lies which impede human progress. > > And if we stick to lies, how would that make us in the next generation?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > About the same way you are now. > Robert B. Winn Don't understand your answer. I say if we people know the lies and spread them to our next generation, where would human be in future? Lie is a sin and an unlawful act. I guess you have no problem committing since your god say he will forgive your sin....? This is also the reason why you Christian always lie.
From: rbwinn on 6 Jul 2008 23:03
On Jul 6, 5:48�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:06:59 +1200, BuddyThunder > <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >rbwinn wrote: > >> On Jul 6, 11:02?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>> My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God. ?Bearing false > >>>> witness about me would fall under the category of willful disobedience > >>>> of God. > >>> In that case you are totally guilty of that exact sin. > > >>> We have already established by your own definitions that you are a > >>> sinful person (onkl Jesus is free of sin you said) , and your lack of > >>> charity excommnunicates you as a Christian. (you wont talk to God on > >>> anyones behalf..) > > >>> I think you are in deep trouble, dude. > > >> No, I am fine. �I say a little prayer every once in a while about > >> atheists. > > >That one ever get answered? ;-) > > He didn't say what he was praying for. If you pray to God that He affect > nothing at all, He relibly answers.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It would still be up to the atheists what they do. God is not going to interfere with their agency. Robert B. Winn |