Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: hhyapster on 6 Jul 2008 23:04 On Jul 5, 8:26 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 4, 6:42 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:23 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 3, 10:51 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 4, 12:32 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 3, 3:57�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > > > > > in alt.atheism: > > > > > > > >On Jul 2, 2:15�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > >> > On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> >>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> >>>> wrote: > > > > > > >> >>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> ... > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> States. > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> assistance. > > > > > > >> >>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > > > > > >> >>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > > > > > > >> >>>>> right? > > > > > > >> >>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > > > > > > >> >>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > > > > > > >> >>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > > > > > > >> >>>> claim on your part. > > > > > > >> >>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > > > > > > >> >>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". > > > > > > >> >>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > > > > > > >> >>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > > > > > > >> >>>> confirms my assessment. > > > > > > >> >>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > > > > > > >> >>> reproduction control. > > > > > > >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now > > > > > > >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > >> > Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United > > > > > > >> > States? �We know they do in China. �However, there are a lot of women > > > > > > >> > in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental > > > > > > >> > institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally > > > > > > >> > was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > > > > > > >> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > >I am not playing a game. �Atheists run China, and women in China > > > > > > >definitely do get government ordered abortions. > > > > > > > It's a bit more complex than that, none of this has anything to do with > > > > > > atheism as you must know, but since you are someone who has a > > > > > > third-grade understanding of the world and your religion, I can > > > > > > understand how you got confused. > > > > > > > >It also happens here in the United States. > > > > > > > You keep claiming this. You appear to be lying. If you were not lying, > > > > > > you would have been pointing us to evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > So what do you think you are running here, a court of law? > > > > > Real judges do not impress me. What made you think that imitators > > > > > like you would? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > So, you don't even respect rel judge, let alone anything truth or > > > > system.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Judges today deny the right to trial by jury. Why would I respect > > > them? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > The right to trial by jury is the basic in the US, why would you be > > denied?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You would be denied the right to trial by jury because judges and > lawyers have held that the right to trial by jury in all criminal > prosecutions does not include most criminal prosecutions, only those > that give publicity and profit to lawyers. So today unless you are on > trial for a serious felony, your right to trial by jury is not even > considered. The judicial branch of this government has done nothing > since the 1960's except copy what happens in European courts. Their > decision is that the sixth amendment means that American citizens do > not have the right to trial by jury. > Robert B. Winn If you are talking about criminal charges and felony, then of course US and European are on the same level having jury. But may not be the case with you when you committed psychiatry lies and acts.
From: rbwinn on 6 Jul 2008 23:04 On Jul 6, 6:07�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On 7 Jul 2008 00:45:54 GMT, Enkidu <fox_rgf...(a)trashmail.net> wrote in > alt.atheism: > > >Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote in > >news:09p274di91fe9iga0fioemm19lsnegpums(a)4ax.com: > > >>>He's dumber than Dook! How can that be? > > >> There is LDS equivalent to the Jesuits. > > >What's the conversion factor? > > A 'not' escaped from that sentence. > > Jesuits may not be able to make all Catholics think clearly (and that > isn't exactly their goal), but they make intellectual pursuits > honorable. LDS have BYU, not a horrible college, but still nothing to be > confused with Georgetown or even Notre Dame. Well, I have a high school education. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 6 Jul 2008 23:06 On Jul 6, 7:06�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > Free Lunch wrote: > > On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:06:59 +1200, BuddyThunder > > <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 6, 11:02?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>> My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God. ?Bearing false > >>>>> witness about me would fall under the category of willful disobedience > >>>>> of God. > >>>> In that case you are totally guilty of that exact sin. > > >>>> We have already established by your own definitions that you are a > >>>> sinful person (onkl Jesus is free of sin you said) , and your lack of > >>>> charity excommnunicates you as a Christian. (you wont talk to God on > >>>> anyones behalf..) > > >>>> I think you are in deep trouble, dude. > > >>> No, I am fine. �I say a little prayer every once in a while about > >>> atheists. > >> That one ever get answered? ;-) > > > He didn't say what he was praying for. If you pray to God that He affect > > nothing at all, He relibly answers. > > Like Homer S. praying to God, "if you agree, please give absolutely no > sign!" Sure enough...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, mostly I pray that I will not become like atheists are. Robert B. Winn
From: hhyapster on 6 Jul 2008 23:08 On Jul 5, 8:27 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 4, 6:46 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:27 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 3, 10:55 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 4, 12:42 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 3, 4:50�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:15:28 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >On Jul 3, 1:21?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >On Jul 2, 5:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >On Jul 2, 1:32?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore..com> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >States. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >assistance. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >right? > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> claim on your part. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> confirms my assessment. > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >reproduction control. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now > > > > > > >> >> >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > >> >> >> >Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United > > > > > > >> >> >> >States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a lot of women > > > > > > >> >> >> >in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental > > > > > > >> >> >> >institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally > > > > > > >> >> >> >was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > > > > > > >> >> >> IOW, you have nothing to support your claim. Thanks for clearing that > > > > > > >> >> >> up. > > > > > > > >> >> >You are free to believe or disbelieve what I said about this woman, > > > > > > >> >> >just as you are free to believe or disbelieve anything else I say. > > > > > > >> >> >Does this seem unfair to you? > > > > > > > >> >> What seems unclear to me is why you insist on violating your > > > > > > >> >> religion's commandment against bearing false witness. Quite frankly, > > > > > > >> >> you're insulting everyone's intelligence by telling such a transparent > > > > > > >> >> lie, although when combined with the fact that you seem to doubt > > > > > > >> >> everything anyone else tells you, however innocuous, it suggests that > > > > > > >> >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting your > > > > > > >> >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > >> >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice. > > > > > > > >> Repeating your claim does not make it any more believable. Perhaps if > > > > > > >> you were to provide a detailed account of > > > > > > > >> -what State and city this occurred in > > > > > > >> -what agency made such a demand, and > > > > > > >> -in what context, and on what legal or procedural basis > > > > > > > >> it might be slightly more believable. Until then, it's not the > > > > > > >> slightest bit credible. > > > > > > > >Uh huh, and you do not believe that it happens in China > > > > > > > Nice try, but you're not weaseling out of this. The question is not > > > > > > what happens in China, but what happens in the US, specifically to the > > > > > > woman you claim to know. Put up or shut up.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Well, I would certainly not want to cause a bunch of atheists to > > > > > bother that woman. I think we need to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel > > > > > instead. > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > If you want to emphasize the tunnel for the existence of your god, > > > > isn't the London going to be the existence of Harry Porter? > > > > If you recognize the fiction of Harry, shouldn't you know the human > > > > invention of a " god"? > > > > Or you wish to remain as hypocrite as any loon?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > No, the tunnel is just a reference of something that atheists have > > > trouble denying, although they make every effort. The same with the > > > earthen ramp. Three different books of the Bible describe the > > > construction of the tunnel. The New Testament mentions the Pool of > > > Siloam , which is where the water goes which flows through the > > > tunnel. So there are verses in the New Testament as well as in the > > > Old Testament which the tunnel verifies. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Your argument here shows either your state of mind or you want to > > believe in bible, regardless of the parallel analogy in the two story > > books.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, why don't you go ahead and believe what you want to believe, and > I will believe what I believe. Does that seem unfair to you? > Robert B. Winn Of course is unfair to me. If you don't have a problem with your state of mind, then it would be fair. Your mind is corrupted and you deem lies and fabrications in the bible to be true, this make you insane, while we are of normal people. So, it is unfair and you don't realize?
From: rbwinn on 6 Jul 2008 23:13
On Jul 6, 7:18 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 5, 1:07 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 11:58 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Jul 3, 2:35 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>> On Jul 2, 6:11 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > >>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > >>>> On Jul 3, 9:59 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > >>>>> On Jul 2, 1:28 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > >>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > >>>>>> On Jul 2, 11:30 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> On Jul 2, 12:13 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > >>>>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 3:34 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > >>>>>>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 11:27 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said it was. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just believe what Paul said.  You seem a little upset that I do not > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe your fable. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 Tim 4:3  For the time will come when they will not endure sound > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teachers, having itching ears; > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned unto fables. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description.. Can you help me > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too difficult > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> for you.  Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where evolution > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of disease. I'm > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than pathogens.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to fables > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to explain things.  So today we see science explaining most things by > > > >>>>>>>>>>> fables. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > > >>>>>>>>>> Please explain how "evolution" counts as a fable?  And we'll show you > > > >>>>>>>>>> how you understanding of evolution is horribly wrong. > > > >>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>> Well, as Paul pointed out, in the last days men would be unable to > > > >>>>>>>>> endure sound doctrine and would devise a fable to try to explain the > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of mankind without a God. > > > >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > > >>>>>>>> That doesn't relate evolution to a fable. > > > >>>>>>>> Do you ever answer a question that isn't just from your own > > > >>>>>>>> imagination? > > > >>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>> It happened just the way Paul said it would. > > > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > > >>>>>> If you want to converse with the voices in your head, could you just > > > >>>>>> leave out alt.atheism in your replies?  Your posts are clearly not > > > >>>>>> related to anything you're clicking reply on. > > > >>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>> As I understand it I have given a response to one of your posts that > > > >>>>> does not comform to atheistic rules. > > > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > > > >>>> Those would be those rules about not lying blatantly? > > > >>>> They're more like guidelines, and more Human than specifically > > > >>>> atheist. > > > >>> Well, Al, I always try to tell the truth.  Sometimes I am given > > > >>> information by atheists that turns out to be false, such as a large > > > >>> portion of what I was taught in school. > > > >> I'd love some examples of these "atheistic lies". You won't provide any > > > >> though, right?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > Well, we could start with Albert Einstein's description of > > > > transmission of light, which is not a lie, but turns out to be false. > > > > It requires a bona fide miracle to work.  This is one miracle that > > > > atheists never criticize. > > > > Can we get a real physicist with a loony filter here to translate?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > The Lorentz equations are > > >               x'=(x-vt)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) > >               y'=y > >               z'=z > >               t'=(t-vx/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) > > > These equations require that a moving object contract in length in the > > direction of movement.  When the object reaches the speed of light its > > length is 0. > > Robert B. Winn > > An object can't reach the speed of light.  Get over it. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So what about photons? The Lorentz equations have them as little flat disks with circumference but no length. Robert B. Winn |