Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 6 Jul 2008 18:04 On Jul 6, 1:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 6, 12:57 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 5, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 4, 8:37�pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> On Jul 4, 11:32 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:26:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2:57 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 4:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> wrote > >>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> ... > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an > >>>>>>>>>>>>> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not > >>>>>>>>>>>>> worth considering. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. ?If you think He is > >>>>>>>>>>>> not, ?go ahead and try to prove it. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>> Please provide any evidence that any claim ever made about God is true. > >>>>>>>>>> Well, there is an earthen ramp that the Assyrian army built to get > >>>>>>>>>> over the city wall at Lachish. > >>>>>>>>> So? I have built several earthen ramps. > >>>>>>>>> Am I then God? > >>>>>>>>>> Atheists do not believe in the earthen ramp. > >>>>>>>>> well firstly that is false, because I do believe in earthen ramps, > >>>>>>>>> having built many, and I am an atheist. > >>>>>>>>> And secondly what has the fact that �person B may or may not believe > >>>>>>>>> statement X, have to do with the existence, or not, of personality Z? > >>>>>>>> God did not build the earthen ramp. �The Assyrian army did. �God would > >>>>>>>> have preferred that they did not build it and had left the city of > >>>>>>>> Lachish and its inhabitants alone. > >>>>>>> Are you saying that God was powerless to stop them? > >>>>>> The bible contains enormous mistakes to glorify god yet plainly > >>>>>> telling us that god is a useless being. > >>>>>> The early Jews who wrote it were not educated, or might be drunk. Yes, > >>>>>> more drunk than wake.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> Well, as you say, if you think God is a useless being, then you will > >>>>> choose to be with the beings you think of as being useful, other > >>>>> atheists. > >>>> So you concede there are many mistakes or untruths in the Bible then?- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Why does it depend on me?  The Bible is what it is.  If you do not > >>> like the Bible, read something else. > >> No answer? I just wanted to know how reliable you thought the Bible was. > >> I know it to be full of errors and distortions, just wondered what your > >> position on it was. You seem to think it better than other sacred texts > >> for some reason.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > I think the Bible is very reliable.  The Jews were very meticulous as > > far as preserving ancient writings.  For instance, the Dead Sea > > scrolls of Isaiah are a good example of how accurately the Bible was > > translated. > > The Bible was very accurately transcribed - for humans. They did an > amazing job. Not a perfect job, there are lots of differences between > the early versions we have, but not bad for a bunch of people. > > It's the content that I find even less reliable though, that's what I > was driving at, and I think you know that. > > Much reported as history in the Bible simply never happened. No global > flood, no special creation, no exodus...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I think those happened. I don't think the Song of Solomon is an inspired writing. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 6 Jul 2008 18:11 On Jul 6, 2:16 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 6, 1:00 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 5, 3:53�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:62956527-c824-415d-93ab-cdbf47127a02(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > >>>> On Jul 4, 9:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>> For the umpteenth time, we cannot tell Jesus anything. > >>>>> If he existed at all, he died nearly 2,000 years ago. > >>>>> Apart from an alleged brief visit shortly afterward, he hasn't been seen > >>>>> since. > >>>>> How can we tell him anything, huh? > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>> Well, it is called prayer. �Christians are commanded to pray.. > >>>> ==================== > >>>> And you're sure your prayer gets through ... even though no-one in the > >>>> history of Christian prayer has ever answered. �You know, if I dial a number > >>>> and get no connection, I may try a few more times, but sooner or later I > >>>> realise that there's no phone at the other end .... > >>> Well, mine get answered.  What made you think they were not? > >> Shall we do some double-blind tests? Would you like to submit that claim > >> to scrutiny? It would really help me believe, because theists are always > >> talking about answered prayer, and mine were met with nothing but stony > >> silence.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > James 1:5  If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth > > to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him. > >  6  But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering.  For he that wavereth > > is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed, > >  7  For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the > > Lord. > > I wouldn't expect God to start taking *my* calls now after having > ignored them entirely for five years, but *you* still have faith. We > could test the efficacy of *your* prayers. > > Feel up to it? :-)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Why do you want to test my prayers? Robert B. Winn
From: Steve O on 6 Jul 2008 18:40 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:a6c519a4-4e71-42b5-998a-6efe7a2436ea(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 6, 12:17�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:30fafc0d-9c9c-43e9-90d9-b36a200c34e8(a)m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> Right. So we are all going to hell willy nilly. Why bother with trying >> >> not to?. >> >> > You will not like hell. �That is what seems odd about atheists. �They >> > can seem like rational beings except in one instance. �If you were to >> > give them a choice between going to Yellowstone national Park or going >> > to the Winslow, Arizona, city dump, most of them would choose to go to >> > Yellowstone Park. �But if you give them a choice between heaven and >> > hell, they all say they do not want to go to heaven. �Some of them >> > might object to going to hell, but they all choose to not go to >> > heaven. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> You're wrong. >> No matter how pleasant heaven or Yellowstone Park is, spending the rest >> of >> ETERNITY in either place, or anywhere else for that matter, would be the >> worst form of punishment and torture. >> You guys always bang on about looking forward to eternity without >> actually >> thinking about what that involves. >> It's ETERNITY for Christ's sake! >> Mind numbing, endless, inescapable eternity- without even having the >> relief >> of suicide to end it all. >> I couldn't think of any worse torture than spending the rest of eternity >> in >> one single place. >> >> -- >> Steve O > > Suicide does not solve anything. The person will still have all of > the problems they had before with the added problem that they have > committed suicide. So following what you say, what if people in > heaven get to move around, and people in hell cannot. Which place do > you want to go? > Robert B. Winn Hell? Hell's a doddle. You could get much worse than that - you could get stabbed. On the whole, I think I'd prefer hell- a little bit of S and M would probably help to pass the time anyway. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Free Lunch on 6 Jul 2008 19:26 On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:59:50 +1200, BuddyThunder <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in alt.atheism: >rbwinn wrote: >> On Jul 6, 12:57 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> On Jul 5, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> On Jul 4, 8:37?pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 4, 11:32 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:26:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2:57 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 4:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth considering. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. ?If you think He is >>>>>>>>>>>>> not, ?go ahead and try to prove it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>> Please provide any evidence that any claim ever made about God is true. >>>>>>>>>>> Well, there is an earthen ramp that the Assyrian army built to get >>>>>>>>>>> over the city wall at Lachish. >>>>>>>>>> So? I have built several earthen ramps. >>>>>>>>>> Am I then God? >>>>>>>>>>> Atheists do not believe in the earthen ramp. >>>>>>>>>> well firstly that is false, because I do believe in earthen ramps, >>>>>>>>>> having built many, and I am an atheist. >>>>>>>>>> And secondly what has the fact that ?person B may or may not believe >>>>>>>>>> statement X, have to do with the existence, or not, of personality Z? >>>>>>>>> God did not build the earthen ramp. ?The Assyrian army did. ?God would >>>>>>>>> have preferred that they did not build it and had left the city of >>>>>>>>> Lachish and its inhabitants alone. >>>>>>>> Are you saying that God was powerless to stop them? >>>>>>> The bible contains enormous mistakes to glorify god yet plainly >>>>>>> telling us that god is a useless being. >>>>>>> The early Jews who wrote it were not educated, or might be drunk. Yes, >>>>>>> more drunk than wake.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>> Well, as you say, if you think God is a useless being, then you will >>>>>> choose to be with the beings you think of as being useful, other >>>>>> atheists. >>>>> So you concede there are many mistakes or untruths in the Bible then?- Hide quoted text - >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> Why does it depend on me? The Bible is what it is. If you do not >>>> like the Bible, read something else. >>> No answer? I just wanted to know how reliable you thought the Bible was. >>> I know it to be full of errors and distortions, just wondered what your >>> position on it was. You seem to think it better than other sacred texts >>> for some reason.- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> I think the Bible is very reliable. The Jews were very meticulous as >> far as preserving ancient writings. For instance, the Dead Sea >> scrolls of Isaiah are a good example of how accurately the Bible was >> translated. > >The Bible was very accurately transcribed - for humans. They did an >amazing job. Not a perfect job, there are lots of differences between >the early versions we have, but not bad for a bunch of people. > >It's the content that I find even less reliable though, that's what I >was driving at, and I think you know that. > >Much reported as history in the Bible simply never happened. No global >flood, no special creation, no exodus... Yes, copying a mistake faithfully does not make the mistake go away.
From: BuddyThunder on 6 Jul 2008 19:45
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 6, 1:53 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 6, 12:44 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 5, 2:31 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2:42 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 3:22 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 11:28 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 1:55 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 8:35 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 11:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 12:20 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 1:19�pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...(a)trashmail.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in news:22183802-cf28-4305-af11- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7d254b106...(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one being deliberately obtuse. � The existence of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel validates many other things said in the Bible about the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assyrian invasion of Judea. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Hobbit" talks of ale, axes, and forests which we know exist. Does that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> validate Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, trolls, magic rings, walking trees and Tom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bombadil? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enkidu AA#2165 � >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EAC Chaplain and ordained minister, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ULC, Modesto, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't anything socialistic make you want to throw up? Like great public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools, or health insurance for all? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> � � �-Kurt Vonnegut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you decide for yourself? You were the one who thought of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you try to defend your assertions? How can we know we can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trust what you say?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does not matter to me what you trust. You decide what you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to trust. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can't provide any sensible reason to believe your fanciful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claims, then I guess we're done.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fanciful claims? I said that the Jews dug a tunnel as a conduit for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam. Why do you think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is a fanciful claim? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is not a fanciful claim. You and I both know that I'm referring to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your supernatural claims. Those would be the ones you're completely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unable to support with any evidence.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not made any claims to atheists except that the Jews dug a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel to be used as a conduit for water, and the Assyrians built a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ramp out of dirt to get over the city wall at Lachish. To an atheist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these might seem like supernatural claims because there were actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people working to accomplish both of these tasks instead of just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giving orders, criticism, etc., the way atheists do. Since atheists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been unable to visualize these two events, there is no reason to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proceed on to anything more complex. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we're in total agreement. A tunnel was dug a long time ago and it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got mentioned in some ancient writings, providing absolutlely no support >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for any supernatural claims. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So why all the posts?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do not seem to be visualizing it very well. The Assyrians came >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into Judea with an army of hundreds of thousands on their way home >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after taking a big chunk of Egypt. Judea was a little dot in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle of the Assyrian kingdom, which extended from the Caspian Sea to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egypt. So why was there still a Kingdom of Judea when King >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sennacherib got back to his capitol city of Ninevah? Sennacherib >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> himself says there was on the column he had erected in Ninevah. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or so the story goes.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean so the story goes? The column erected by Sennacherib >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Ninevah is still there today. He plainly says on it that Hezekiah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid tribute to him, and he was such a nice guy that he just went home >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he got the money. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great. Sennacherib went home and left Jerusalem unsacked. That doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean that it was due to the angel of the lord slaughtering 185,000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> troops in a night. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you favour the oddly magical Biblical account over Sennacherib's?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> 186,000 troops. Chaldean historians of the same time said that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Assyrian army died of plague while besieging Jerusalem, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sennacherib fled in great fear back to his own city of Ninevah. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sennacherib made no mention of losing his army on the column he >>>>>>>>>>>>> erected. He seems to have pretended to his fellow Assyrians that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> army was still somewhere doing something, but his own two sons >>>>>>>>>>>>> murdered him, probably because they were upset about him losing the >>>>>>>>>>>>> army. >>>>>>>>>>>> So where are God's footprints in all of this? Arguments for both sides >>>>>>>>>>>> can be made without invoking magic.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Well, from a military standpoint, the Jews had no chance whatsoever >>>>>>>>>>> against the Assyrians. But when it was all over, it was the Assyrian >>>>>>>>>>> king who lost everything, including his own life. So I would say, let >>>>>>>>>>> atheists of today explain it their way, and let Christians explain it >>>>>>>>>>> their way. The Jews explained it by saying that an angel of the Lord >>>>>>>>>>> killed 186,000 Assyrian troops. That is a matter of record. It is >>>>>>>>>>> recorded in three different books of the Old Testament. >>>>>>>>>> The Old Testament isn't particularly compelling evidence, it suggests >>>>>>>>>> that there was a global flood and special creation over the course of >>>>>>>>>> six days. It might be a "matter of record" on some things, but it is >>>>>>>>>> definitely not on others.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Well, I am sure the Jews feel bad that you do not like the Old >>>>>>>>> Testament, but it says what it says. It says in three different >>>>>>>>> books that an angel of the Lord went through the camp of the Assyrians >>>>>>>>> and slew 186,000 soldiers. >>>>>>>> It also says that the universe was created a handful of thousands of >>>>>>>> years ago. The Bible is not reliable.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Well, as I said before, you atheists believe in relativity of time >>>>>>> unless you are talking about the earth. Then you insist on absolute >>>>>>> time. >>>>>> Instead you make some ridiculous claims about the relativity of time >>>>>> completely without evidential basis, or... any rational support at all. >>>>>> The Earth is older than 6500 thousand years old. Much older. I'll go >>>>>> with the many independent lines of verification on that one.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, that is fine, but why is relativity of time something that >>>>> exists except when talking about the earth? >>>> Because Earth isn't travelling at near light speed. I'm no physicist but...- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> So what makes you believe that motion is the only factor that would >>> affect time? >> Gee, I dunno. Until you back up your notions, it's hard to know what >> you're on about. >> >> What makes you think that you know better than every mainstream >> peer-reviewed physicist on the planet?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Every mainstream peer reviewed physicist on the planet uses the > Lorentz equation. There is no way that the Lorentz equations could be > more than a close approximation. I don't have the grounding in physics to sensibly contend the point. I will delegate anything beyond my high-school physics to mainstream scientific consensus. You seem to be at odds with them, if you believe you really have a breakthrough for physics, you should publish so we may all benefit from the new knowledge. |