Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 6 Jul 2008 22:48 On Jul 5, 12:54 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 4, 11:49�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > > > > Richard Meredith wrote: > > > In article <g4lbtl$9p...(a)cam-news1.cambridge.arm.com>, > > > chris.sh...(a)arm.nospam.com (Chris Shore) wrote: > > > >> *From:* "Chris Shore" <chris.sh...(a)arm.nospam.com> > > >> *Date:* Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:25:57 +0100 > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:b5ef084b-b578-47aa-b9bf-1285e1588579(a)27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.. > > >> .. > > > >>> Well, there is an earthen ramp that the Assyrian army built to get > > >>> over the city wall at Lachish. �Atheists do not believe in the > > >> earthen > > >>> ramp. > > >> Of course atheists believe in the ramp. It exists and its existence > > >> cannot > > >> be denied. But the existence of the ramp does not prove that the > > >> entire > > >> OT is fact, nor does it prove anything, anything at all, about God. > > > >> What is your point in pointing out the existence of this thing? > > > > There is no point. Usenet discussions about religion are seldom anything > > > more than an opportunity for all sorts of people to restate their > > > particular set of beliefs loudly and vociferously while paying little > > > attention and less respect to the views of anyone else. > > > Oh come ON, poor old Robbo has been given a test of faith: he has to go > > up against satanic atheists and all sorts of sinners to test his > > beliefs. We have to at least give him a run for his money. > > > He is obviously fairly deluded. > > > Its just a way of passing the time..- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Actually I was discussing the Galilean transformation equations with > scientists before atheists started posting to me in > sci.physics.relativity. > Robert B. Winn You were showing off your misunderstandings of relativity to sci.physics when you decided to post to this topic that had already been going for a hundred posts or so after a different crazy christian started it with the cross-posting. Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 6 Jul 2008 22:51 On Jul 5, 7:49 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 4, 8:42�am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >> in alt.atheism: > > >>> On Jul 4, 3:03?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >>>> Alex W. wrote: > >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > >>>>> On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in > >>>>>> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. > >>>>>> =========== > >>>>>> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart choice is > >>>>>> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... > >>>>> No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists claim > >>>>> that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. > >>>> Which to me indicates you have no idea what sin, or repentance, is. > >>>>> ========== > >>>>> Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the god(s) worshipped > >>>>> ... or not, as the case may be.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Sin is wilful disobedience of God. �Repentance is confessing and > >>> forsaking sin. > >> As far as we can tell, God is a human invention. God never told us to do > >> anything. Sin, therefore, is also a human invention.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > So once an atheist enters into sin, there is no turning back from > > it. I guess that was why Josef Stalin killed 12 million people. > > No, he did that because it was an Omnipotents God's Will Surely? > > Unless you subscribe to the Manichean Heresy, whih says that there is an > equally powerful force of sin, and it was HIS will ;-) > > The trouble with the 'God is Good, God is top dog' theory is that its > manifestly untrue. > > Unless you redefine Good to include Evil, of course.. > > > Robert B. Winn Which is where the ever popular "mysterious ways" comes in. Which is a de-facto admission they haven't got a clue, and they should stop trying to tell us how to behave if they can't even figure out their own damned god thingy. Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 6 Jul 2008 22:54 On Jul 5, 9:08 pm, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in message > > news:m6zbk.192976$NN3.170950(a)newsfe08.ams2... > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:211e4c29-e783-4569-b7f9- > > > Well, his sheep know his voice. Atheists do not. > > ---------------------------------- > > > Jesus loves ewe! > > Jesus was Welsh? oooo... there's a silly cartoon waiting for a T-shirt, right there. :-) Al
From: rbwinn on 6 Jul 2008 22:54 On Jul 6, 5:02 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 6, 11:04�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >> Alex W. wrote: > >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>news:b9d055c5-7a5b-4534-9703-63f1e75e9648(a)56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com.... > >>> Your spirit is made of spirit. �You cannot transplant it. > >>> ======= > >>> There is always possession .... > >> And actually the one thing we do know about spirit, is that is i NOT > >> limited to an earthly body, so it can move independently of it if it wants. > > >> So yet one more lie from robbo. > > > The spirit of a human being wants to stay in the body because that is > > the best place for it until the person dies. > > Where in the body is it housed? The entire body. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 6 Jul 2008 22:55
On Jul 6, 5:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 6, 2:16 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 6, 1:00 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 5, 3:53�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>news:62956527-c824-415d-93ab-cdbf47127a02(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>> On Jul 4, 9:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> For the umpteenth time, we cannot tell Jesus anything. > >>>>>>> If he existed at all, he died nearly 2,000 years ago. > >>>>>>> Apart from an alleged brief visit shortly afterward, he hasn't been seen > >>>>>>> since. > >>>>>>> How can we tell him anything, huh? > >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>> Well, it is called prayer. �Christians are commanded to pray. > >>>>>> ==================== > >>>>>> And you're sure your prayer gets through ... even though no-one in the > >>>>>> history of Christian prayer has ever answered. �You know, if I dial a number > >>>>>> and get no connection, I may try a few more times, but sooner or later I > >>>>>> realise that there's no phone at the other end .... > >>>>> Well, mine get answered.  What made you think they were not? > >>>> Shall we do some double-blind tests? Would you like to submit that claim > >>>> to scrutiny? It would really help me believe, because theists are always > >>>> talking about answered prayer, and mine were met with nothing but stony > >>>> silence.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> James 1:5  If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth > >>> to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him. > >>>  6  But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering.  For he that wavereth > >>> is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed, > >>>  7  For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the > >>> Lord. > >> I wouldn't expect God to start taking *my* calls now after having > >> ignored them entirely for five years, but *you* still have faith. We > >> could test the efficacy of *your* prayers. > > >> Feel up to it? :-)- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Why do you want to test my prayers? > > So you'd be able to back up your claim that prayer (yours, mine, > anyone's) is actually answered.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - According to scripture unless a prayer is asked in faith it will not be answered. Robert B. Winn |