Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: The Natural Philosopher on 8 Jul 2008 06:02 Richard Meredith wrote: > In article > <5392b914-4e96-4a67-a3ab-453aa9bcc890(a)27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > hhyapster(a)gmail.com () wrote: > >> You are banking on a philosophical context, or approach. >> When we talk about evidence, we are then sure of things or event or >> happening. Anything solid in this world would have the possibility of >> a definition. >> But a god...can you provide a definition and his existence? >> You very well know that a heaven and hell thing are the invention of >> human imagination and yet you believe we should not doubt them? > > I don't *know* any such thing, though I'm quite happy to admit it as > possibility, even a strong likelihood. The reason I don't know whether > they're a reality or a figment of the imagination is simply that there is > no evidence pointing either way. > >> And the god is showering this world with diseases, right? Why is that? > > I'll leave that one for the theologians. I'm not arguing for the God > hypothesis, just pointing out that it is one that has not been either > proven or disproven. > > The similarity between atheists and theists is not what they believe, but > their willingness to insist that they have a monopoly on the truth, > despite their inability to provide any proof or even decent evidence > either way. > Again I stress that theists think they have a monopoly of the truth, atheists are more likely to claim the high ground on rationality and logic, the proper use of which leads to the conclusion that the best one can say about the Truth, is that it is (a la Wittgenstein) 'whatever is the case' Which ultimately says nothing.
From: Steve O on 8 Jul 2008 07:46 "The Loan Arranger" <noone(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message news:wuadnQdHl4vUtu7VnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > Steve O wrote: >> All we said was that, contrary to your claim that the crucifixion was the >> work of the devil, the crucifixion was essential for the redemption of >> sin, therefore Judas did the world a favour. > > Until quite some time after the event, Judas was considered to have done > Jesus a favour, by agreeing reluctantly to hand him over, according to > Jesus's wishes. I remember that as something told to me at school, by the monks who ran the school. Something about some kind of request that was whispered into Judas's ear during the Last Supper, apparently. Not sure if this is part of mainstream Catholic doctrine or something they just dreamt up. > > It was only when the evolving church needed an antihero that Judas's role > was recast from tragic hero to traitor. Looks like those monks were behind the times, then. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: rbwinn on 8 Jul 2008 08:06 On Jul 7, 2:44�pm, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:52:04 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > >Well, I would not want to be relying on athiests if I ever got a > >heatstrroke. > > You'd be relying on doctors. Many of whom are atheists. > > Linda ff That is why I am careful not to get a heatstroke. Robert B. Winn
From: Alex W. on 8 Jul 2008 08:13 "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in message news:cGAck.156804$P83.5296(a)newsfe20.ams2... > > <hhyapster(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:dbabcb9c-30c0-42d3-8049-c0969a9227ce(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >> However, I must admit my leg is getting tired, for his insanity. > > <tasteless> > Borrow one of Linda McCartney's spares. > </tasteless> Not Linda, Heather. And she's an ex.
From: Steve O on 8 Jul 2008 07:58
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:77a0ad77-eda4-4251-a60e-c206a0c8acfd(a)i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 7, 9:00�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:57e16449-1aee-4fc5-9bf6-f16f8970ac2b(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >> >> > Show me an atheist who wants to enter heaven, and I will answer your >> > questions. �Otherwise, they are totally meaningless. �It is like you >> > coming up to me on the street and saying, �I do not like you, and I >> > will never enter your house, but I want to know everything you do. �If >> > you do not want to enter, it is none of your business. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> When you insist that your house is the only way a house should be, and >> that >> our house is somehow evil and wrong, �and demand tax concessions on your >> house, and call at our house asking us to change it to look like your >> house, >> and tell ridiculous and impossible lies about how our house was built , >> and >> dictate what type of house our children should grow up in by using >> legislation, then it IS our business. >> >> -- >> Steve O > > Baloney, this is a democracy. If there are more evil people, which > there are, then evil people run the government, which they do. What > is it that you evil people want that you do not have? > Robert B. Winn Now we get to the crux if the matter. You think that everyone, except you, is evil. What a warped and twisted philosophy you hold. Don't you understand how you are being used? That is how your religion works. It's the oldest trick in the book. You tell people they are evil, dirty or something is wrong with them, and that they need to be cleansed. And the super special magic voodoo priests who tell you that you are evil are also claiming that THEY have all the secrets and are the only ones who know how to "save" you and make you clean. Except you have to do what they tell you and they also need your money, right? Keep your dumbass con-trick philosophy to yourself and don't even try to push it in our faces. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence |