Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Alex W. on 8 Jul 2008 08:16 "Steve O" <nospamhere(a)thanks.com> wrote in message news:6dg2m3F2d900U1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message > news:7b8ae166-6369-43d9-9a73-74e6975c43c2(a)e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 6, 9:42 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>> rbwinn wrote: >>> > On Jul 6, 5:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>> >> rbwinn wrote: >>> >>> On Jul 6, 11:02?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>> >>>>> My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God. ?Bearing >>> >>>>> false >>> >>>>> witness about me would fall under the category of willful >>> >>>>> disobedience >>> >>>>> of God. >>> >>>> In that case you are totally guilty of that exact sin. >>> >>>> We have already established by your own definitions that you are a >>> >>>> sinful person (onkl Jesus is free of sin you said) , and your lack >>> >>>> of >>> >>>> charity excommnunicates you as a Christian. (you wont talk to God >>> >>>> on >>> >>>> anyones behalf..) >>> >>>> I think you are in deep trouble, dude. >>> >>> No, I am fine. I say a little prayer every once in a while about >>> >>> atheists. >>> >> That one ever get answered? ;-)- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> >> - Show quoted text - >>> >>> > Well, I know one atheist who became a Christian. >>> >>> Ah nice. I was just such a man. I eventually grew out of it though. :-)- >>> Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> Well, you were just an atheist working undercover. >> If you were going back to atheism, you were never really a believer. >> Robert B. Winn > > Every single atheist in this newsgroup started out as an atheist. (so did > every Christian too, for that matter) > Some of us converted to Christianity from atheism, then back again. > I have a two year old who is an atheist, he has absolutely no belief in > God whatsoever. I'm not sure that counts, seeing as he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and the Monster Under The Bed. IME, children are naturally credulous. We pick explanations that fit the available facts. If our environment acts as if Santa Claus is real and we have no evidence to doubt that assertion, we believe.
From: Alex W. on 8 Jul 2008 08:20 "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in message news:0MBck.158773$P83.121733(a)newsfe20.ams2... > > "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > news:6dehnlF25fvnU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> <hhyapster(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:6104bae3-7547-488d-a4a3-d51e1615fb15(a)79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jul 5, 6:53 pm, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:62956527-c824-415d-93ab-cdbf47127a02(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Jul 4, 9:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > For the umpteenth time, we cannot tell Jesus anything. >>>> > If he existed at all, he died nearly 2,000 years ago. >>>> > Apart from an alleged brief visit shortly afterward, he hasn't been >>>> > seen >>>> > since. >>>> > How can we tell him anything, huh? >>>> >>>> > - Show quoted text - >>>> >>>> Well, it is called prayer. Christians are commanded to pray. >>>> >>>> ==================== >>>> >>>> And you're sure your prayer gets through ... even though no-one in the >>>> history of Christian prayer has ever answered. You know, if I dial a >>>> number >>>> and get no connection, I may try a few more times, but sooner or later >>>> I >>>> realise that there's no phone at the other end .... >>> >>> The real trouble is, Alex, the loon never even try to dial. >>> Worse, a lot of them dialed but no tone or connection and still think >>> the number is right. >>> They tried and tried and tried.....until the last breath, still no >>> connection.....sad. >> >> That's not the real trouble. >> They do try to dial. Again and again and again. >> And then they dial their own number and end up speaking to themselves -- >> a closed loop that will always deliver the answers already present in the >> questioner's mind. It's the perfect conversation .... >> > I would hardly describe talking to oneself as the "perfect conversation". > It's more like the perfect description of lunacy. Ah, but it is. You always get the answers you want to hear, the other end is always in agreement, you have perfect understanding ....
From: TT on 8 Jul 2008 08:48 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 7, 9:00�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:57e16449-1aee-4fc5-9bf6-f16f8970ac2b(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >> >>> Show me an atheist who wants to enter heaven, and I will answer your >>> questions. �Otherwise, they are totally meaningless. �It is like you >>> coming up to me on the street and saying, �I do not like you, and I >>> will never enter your house, but I want to know everything you do. �If >>> you do not want to enter, it is none of your business. >>> Robert B. Winn >> When you insist that your house is the only way a house should be, and that >> our house is somehow evil and wrong, �and demand tax concessions on your >> house, and call at our house asking us to change it to look like your house, >> and tell ridiculous and impossible lies about how our house was built , and >> dictate what type of house our children should grow up in by using >> legislation, then it IS our business. >> >> -- >> Steve O > > Baloney, this is a democracy. If there are more evil people, which > there are, then evil people run the government, which they do. What > is it that you evil people want that you do not have? > Robert B. Winn Thanks for pointing out that if there are more evil people, and there are also more christians, and more conservative controlled media and government...then more evil people are christian...but we all knew that already...didn't we? I mean..the prison populations are virtually 100% believers(Christ-INANITY being the top choice for convicts)
From: TT on 8 Jul 2008 08:51 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 7, 2:44�pm, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:52:04 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Well, I would not want to be relying on athiests if I ever got a >>> heatstrroke. >> You'd be relying on doctors. Many of whom are atheists. >> >> Linda ff > > That is why I am careful not to get a heatstroke. > Robert B. Winn Judging by your posts...how would you know?
From: Steve O on 8 Jul 2008 09:44
"Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:6dh49mF2hjcqU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "Steve O" <nospamhere(a)thanks.com> wrote in message > news:6dg2m3F2d900U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> news:7b8ae166-6369-43d9-9a73-74e6975c43c2(a)e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jul 6, 9:42 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> > On Jul 6, 5:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> >> rbwinn wrote: >>>> >>> On Jul 6, 11:02?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> >>>>> My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God. ?Bearing >>>> >>>>> false >>>> >>>>> witness about me would fall under the category of willful >>>> >>>>> disobedience >>>> >>>>> of God. >>>> >>>> In that case you are totally guilty of that exact sin. >>>> >>>> We have already established by your own definitions that you are a >>>> >>>> sinful person (onkl Jesus is free of sin you said) , and your lack >>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>> charity excommnunicates you as a Christian. (you wont talk to God >>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>> anyones behalf..) >>>> >>>> I think you are in deep trouble, dude. >>>> >>> No, I am fine. I say a little prayer every once in a while about >>>> >>> atheists. >>>> >> That one ever get answered? ;-)- Hide quoted text - >>>> >>>> >> - Show quoted text - >>>> >>>> > Well, I know one atheist who became a Christian. >>>> >>>> Ah nice. I was just such a man. I eventually grew out of it though. >>>> :-)- Hide quoted text - >>>> >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> >>> Well, you were just an atheist working undercover. >>> If you were going back to atheism, you were never really a believer. >>> Robert B. Winn >> >> Every single atheist in this newsgroup started out as an atheist. (so did >> every Christian too, for that matter) >> Some of us converted to Christianity from atheism, then back again. >> I have a two year old who is an atheist, he has absolutely no belief in >> God whatsoever. > > I'm not sure that counts, seeing as he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter > Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and the Monster Under The Bed. Actually, he's also asantaist, abunnyist, afairyist and amonsterist too. He's only two years old, Alex, he doesn't even know what those things are yet, plus, we're very careful about what sort of fairy tales we tell him anyway. Besides, kids aren't dumb. Any parent could see that kids operate on two levels anyway. On one level, they like the fantasy/monster stories and enjoy being scared by them, and on another level they are fully aware that it's only make- believe. They're not stupid but they enjoy the exciting pretence of it all The only time it becomes stupid is when they carry that over to adulthood and start believing that the magic stories are real. > > IME, children are naturally credulous. Naturally trusting, not credulous. There's a difference . >We pick explanations that fit the available facts. If our environment acts >as if Santa Claus is real and we have no evidence to doubt that assertion, >we believe. It all depends on what Mom and Pop tell us, right? When we're telling them about Jack and the beanstalk, they know we're not being serious, but still go along with the story. The problem occurs when we tell them about Jesus walking on water and raising the dead, and they naturally assume we are being serious about that, because we always make the distinction either directly or indirectly between one magic story and the other. "Now forget about all of those silly magic stories we told you - here's some REAL magic stories" The Santa story is simply training wheels for the God story any way. It amazes me that at my daughters school, she can have science lessons one minute, where she is taught to examine facts using the scientific method, and in the next Religious Education lesson straight afterward, she is told to abandon any critical thinking skills and simply believe. Why does the education system insist on trying to confuse our children like that? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence |