Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Alex W. on 20 Jun 2008 08:47 "Free Lunch" <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote in message news:rgdm549k060l9s3nn7af0g32bvoan4bte4(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:00:13 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote > in alt.atheism: > >> >>"Free Lunch" <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >>news:e1cj549ar4tpoi7d34brkf5fku9tp0up1a(a)4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:50:50 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote >>> in alt.atheism: >>> >> >> >>>>I don't need to imagine Marmite. I eat it every day. God's food. Puts >>>>hair on your chest. >>> >>> Is God evil in your pantheon? >> >>Au contraire -- Marmite and its colonial variant Vegemite are signs of >>divine favour! It's heaven-sent manna to sustain the British Empire on >>its >>manifest destiny of carrying the white man's burden. A slice of toast >>with >>Marmite and a cup of Yorkshire Gold Blend tea for breakfast give us the >>strength to go forth and bring the blessings of civilisation and cricket >>to >>the benighted peoples of the world. With Marmite in our bellies, we fear >>nothing, even ugly native mobs armed with bananas or loganberries! > > On the other hand, they tend to thrash you soundly when it comes to > soccer, cricket, or rugby. I suppose that counts as success. Nah, we still beat the colonials in football. It's only uppity Europeans we have trouble with ...
From: G=EMC^2 Glazier on 20 Jun 2008 09:01 All I need is for him,or her is to turn water into Bud light Beeert
From: rbwinn on 20 Jun 2008 10:12 On Jun 20, 3:15 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 19, 8:34�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Jun 18, 3:54�pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >> > wrote: > > >> Right now, just about every reader on these newsgroups is convinced you > >> are nothing but a liar and cannot defend your absurd statements by > >> providing evidence. > > >> > Well, I > >> > could not remember Andrew and Thaddeus when I tried to think of them.. > >> > What do we do now? > > >> Read your bible and tell us the names of the twelve apostles (which you > >> claim, not I). �Why are you avoiding answering this very easy question? > >> �Is it because you actually know you cannot reliably number them even > >> using the bible? �Is it because you actually know you cannot reliably > >> name them even using the bible? > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > Well, I have seen atheists gert worked up about this before.  What > > difference does it make to an atheist?  I thought you did not believe > > in the apostles.  So why are you so worried about what their names > > were? > > Robert B. Winn > > Just to demonstrate that you are a liar and cannot name them.  You are wrong > about the number and wrong about the fact you can name them.  Being an > atheist has nothing to do about investigating the contents of a work of > literature, fiction, that has been handed down through the millenia.  I > don't have to believe any events in The Lord of Rings to actually discuss > the contents of the trilogy while at the same time I can challenge someone > who might assert that Gandalf wore a robe of purple and pink where the > story does not provide evidence of it. > > Using your logic, nobody would study any literature that was a work of > fiction if they did not believe the contents were true and if they believed > that evidence could not be provided to back up the stories.  You do know > that both private and public schools require studying the fictional stories > of Shakesphere, don't you? > > -- Yes, and I know atheists require study of Harry Potter. That does not mean I think it is a good thing. What I do notice about the Bible is that from what exists today, the Bible seems historically accurate, whereas, some other accounts of history such as Sennacherib's account of the Assyrian invasion of Judea seem inaccurate and self-serving. Then we have the kind of atheistic ideas that you continually expound, but have no proof are true. It is my opinion that anti-Christ agendas are always based on false information. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 20 Jun 2008 10:17 On Jun 20, 3:29 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 19, 8:36 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Jun 18, 11:45 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> > On Jun 18, 12:13�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:87b0e53d-5a57-49b1-b3d0-a331560793fb(a)c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com.... > > >> >> >>> On Jun 17, 10:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >> >> >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>>>news:d6db0a86-413e-4057-a2cf-40363e9b8a34(a)a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com.... > >> >> >>>>> Well some people might not be convinced by your video footage.. > >> >> >>>>> There are many people who believe that the Apollo moon landings > >> >> >>>>> were faked. Robert B. Winn > >> >> >>>> It's not my fault if other people have mental health problems or > >> >> >>>> are gullible enough to swallow any wild- assed claim they come > >> >> >>>> across. Anyway, if my video footage is insufficient evidence, > >> >> >>>> what makes your 2,000 > >> >> >>>> year old book o' blood and that silly Mormon bible more > >> >> >>>> convincing? > >> >> >>> Well, you atheists did not do very well with regard to the > >> >> >>> Assyrian invasion of Judea. > >> >> >> I can assure you we had absolutely nothing to do with it. > > >> >> >>> The Bible seems to have its facts a lot straighter > >> >> >>> than you atheists do. > >> >> >> There are very few facts in the bible at all. > >> >> >> It is a magic story based around real (and sometimes non- existent > >> >> >> ) locations. > > >> >> >>> Was there some other specific thing that you > >> >> >>> atheists wanted to discuss? > >> >> >> How about your inability to differentiate fantasy from reality? > > >> >> > I think I do fairly well.  Hezekiah's tunnel is real.  The earthen > >> >> > ramp over the city wall at Lachish is real.  Harry Potter is not > >> >> > real. > > >> >> Ah, but London is! Is the Bible? It may be, we haven't refuted > >> >> anything yet. But your logic is not supportive of your claims.- Hide > >> >> quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> > I actually know a man from London, England.  I make doors and window > >> > frames for him sometimes.  He soes not believe in Harry Potter either. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> What is his name and address?  I think you are lying. > > >> -- > > His name is Stuart Dowling, and he lives in Maricopa, Arizona. > > Robert B. Winn > > Hmmmmmm.  No official documents exist for a Stuart Dowling in Maricopa, AZ. > No lawsuits, no traffic tickets, no street address, no telephone number, > nothing.  You are lying again.  I doubt you know anybody that does not > believe the Harry Potter books exist or does not believe London exists. > > -- Well, I will tell Stuart that you do not believe he exists. He will get a kick out of that one. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 20 Jun 2008 10:20
On Jun 20, 3:35 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 19, 8:22 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Jun 18, 3:50 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> > On Jun 18, 10:11�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >> > On Jun 17, 2:53�am, Darrell Stec > >> >> >> > <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > >> >> >> >> > Well, I analyzed the Bible. �What I find is that God would not > >> >> >> >> > want His children to die and just cease to be or to be > >> >> >> >> > punished forever, so He sent his Son to overcome death. > >> >> >> >> > �Because of wickedness, we see today that most people will > >> >> >> >> > reject God's gift of eternal life. Robert B. Winn > > >> >> >> >> Let me ask you a question. �Who would know more about LDS > >> >> >> >> theology, one of the churches twelve apostles, or a Hari Krishna > >> >> >> >> monk> > > >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> > Who do you think would know more about LDS theology? �Why do you > >> >> >> > ask? Robert B. Winn > > >> >> >> Evasion noted. �Why are you afraid to answer a couple of easy > >> >> >> questions? Why do you think I would ask? �Could it be the answer > >> >> >> might be obvious? > > >> >> > Well, if the answer is obvious, then there was no reason to ask the > >> >> > question.  Go ahead and say whatever you were going to say. > >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> >> Why are you afraid to tell us whether or not one of the 12 apostles of > >> >> the Mormon church would know more about LDS theology than an Hari > >> >> Krishna monk? What are you afraid of?  I know the answer, but I don't > >> >> know if you do and that is why I am asking. > > >> >> -- > >> >> Later, > >> >> Darrell Stec    dars...(a)neo.rr.com > > >> > Well, why don't you just make up your own mind about that? > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> I already have made an informed and knowledgeable opinion.  I am trying > >> to find out what you believe (asking what you think would be unfair > >> because you are shooting without bullets) to be the case.  Why are you > >> afraid to answer the question?  Is it because it has never been discussed > >> in bible school and you have nothing to copy and paste?  Go ask your > >> bishop what he thinks, as you allow others to think for you until you > >> pull stupid things out of thin air. > > >> -- > > Well, why don't you ask my bishop yourself? > > What is his name, email address, physical address and phone number and I > will ask him.  I'll also send him a list of your more insane postings. > > > I told you athiests > > before that I was not going to be your researcher. > > What research do you need to do to answer a question as to whether an > apostle of your church's council of twelve would know more about LDS > philosophy than a Hari Krishna monk?  That is a person opinion.  Or do you > mean that nobody told you what to think in regard to the question so you > can't copy and paste it? > > > If you want to know what I believe,I can give you name to the > > missionaries as a referral , and they can tell you what I beleive. > > Why can't you give us your opinion yourself?  Why are you having so many > problems answering an easy question?  What are you afraid of? > > > Robert B. Winn > Well, the General Authorities of our church have counseled us to avoid contention with other churches. So if you have some bone to pick with the Hare Kirshna church, leave me out of it. Robert B. Winn |