Does God need to prove He exists?
in [Physics]
|
From: Alan Braggins on 10 Jul 2008 16:08 In article <6dn0scF3eq36U1(a)mid.individual.net>, Tim Ward wrote: >(or whatever the church was squabbling about last week) or whether vicars >are allowed to spit at their congregation (to bring it back on topic for at >least one of the newsgroups). I thought both sides on that argument agreed that vicars should spit at their congregation (or anyone else), but differed on whether the alleged spitting had actually happened or not?
From: Tim Ward on 10 Jul 2008 16:17 "Alan Braggins" <armb(a)chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message news:slrng7cr17.u60.armb(a)chiark.greenend.org.uk... > In article <6dn0scF3eq36U1(a)mid.individual.net>, Tim Ward wrote: >>(or whatever the church was squabbling about last week) or whether vicars >>are allowed to spit at their congregation (to bring it back on topic for >>at >>least one of the newsgroups). > > I thought both sides on that argument agreed that vicars should spit at > their congregation (or anyone else), but differed on whether the alleged > spitting had actually happened or not? Wha'ever, clearly a bunch of people who hate each others' guts, none of them could possibly be described as "Christian" (whatever that means) surely to goodness. -- Tim Ward - posting as an individual unless otherwise clear Brett Ward Limited - www.brettward.co.uk Cambridge Accommodation Notice Board - www.brettward.co.uk/canb
From: John Baker on 10 Jul 2008 12:27 On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:47:24 GMT, Linda Fox <linda.ff(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:46:09 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> >wrote: >> >>The Atonement of Christ did not happen on the cross. It happened in >>the Garden of Gethsemane. > >Oh, bloody Mary mother of dog! Is THAT what they are teaching in your >church? I'd stop going there if I were you. It goes completely against >all Christian doctrine. But then I'm beginning to suspect that you're >not a real Christian at all If you ask Bobby, he's the *only* True Christian�. Which, of course, does nothing to mitigate the utter silliness of bickering over which version of a made-up story is the "correct" one. <G> > >Linda ff
From: James Burns on 10 Jul 2008 18:04 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 8, 1:20�pm, James Burns <burns...(a)osu.edu> wrote: >>rbwinn wrote: >> >>>Well, all you are doing is saying that God is guilty of >>>murder every time a natural death occurs. �I do not >>>think you will get far with that idea. [...] >>Assuming that you choose to clarify what you are trying to >>say, thanks in advance. > Well, according to the Bible, natural events are controlled > by humans on the earth. If I take this as the clarification I asked for, of what you mean by "natural death" (which I think most people would consider a death that is not caused by humans, not cause by diseases, not caused by anything identifiable), then I suppose you are saying that no deaths are natural deaths. Do I understand you properly? If this is what you mean, then you shouldn't be surprised if others have difficulties understanding you. > If the people obey God's > commandments, they prosper in the land, the elements are > tempered in their favor, and their lives are safe an > protected by heaven. This does not happen very often. > We know that in the last days, wickedness on earth > will be greater than at any other time in the history > of earth. So we cannot expect favorable conditions. > The choice to have things this way was not God's. > It was made by men who reject God. If the people in > Noah's day had listened to Noah, there would have been > no flood. So how do you figure it was God's faullt? You seem to be arguing that God is not responsible for anything. That seems to fit well with my own position, although we do arrive there from very different directions. Keep up the good work. We'll make an atheist of you yet. Just kidding. I don't really believe you're serious when you argue this way. A few posts after you post how God is responsible for nothing, you will post that God is responsible for everything. There is no consistency in what you write, but maybe you see no problem in that. Do you see logic as a trap for the conscience? Jim Burns
From: rbwinn on 10 Jul 2008 18:22
On Jul 10, 2:46�am, "Chris Shore" <chris.sh...(a)arm.nospam.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:9be8380a-3a4f-4748-9f03-c7f57bedd527(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > >Well, according to the Bible, natural events are controlled by humans > >on the earth. �If the people obey God's commandments, they prosper in > >the land, the elements are tempered in their favor, and their lives > >are safe an protected by heaven. �This does not happen very often. > > � �We know that in the last days, wickedness on earth will be greater > >than at any other time in the history of earth. �So we cannot expect > >favorable conditions. > > � � �The choice to have things this way was not God's. �It was made > >by men who reject God. �If the people in Noah's day had listened to > >Noah, there would have been no flood. �So how do you figure it was > >God's faullt? > > Because the Bible clearly states that God made the flood happen. As I > see it, he was perfectly free to choose not to do so. > > Chris Well, OK, then, as I understand it, you as a lawyer are seeking damages against God for allowing the flood to happen. What you need to understand is that I am not a judge, so it does you no good to tell me about this case. Robert B. Winn |