Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Steve O on 9 Jul 2008 22:33 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:6611e060-1646-451f-9f3c-714336fde501(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > > Atheists control the education system. Stop lying. My daughter attends a faith based school which is partially funded by the church. What makes you think atheists are in control of it? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Steve O on 9 Jul 2008 22:35 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:f5efb864-36d1-4874-8bac-19bf4bc3d755(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 8, 8:11�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> Steve O wrote: >> >> > "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >> >news:6dh49mF2hjcqU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> >> "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote in message >> >>news:6dg2m3F2d900U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >>>news:7b8ae166-6369-43d9-9a73-74e6975c43c2(a)e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> >> >>>> On Jul 6, 9:42 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>> > On Jul 6, 5:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>> >>> On Jul 6, 11:02?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> >>>>> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>> >>>>> My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God. >> >>>>> ?Bearing >>>>> false >> >>>>> >>>>> witness about me would fall under the category of willful >> >>>>> >>>>> disobedience >> >>>>> >>>>> of God. >> >>>>> >>>> In that case you are totally guilty of that exact sin. >> >>>>> >>>> We have already established by your own definitions that you >> >>>>> are a >> >>>>> >>>> sinful person (onkl Jesus is free of sin you said) , and your >> >>>>> lack >>>> of >> >>>>> >>>> charity excommnunicates you as a Christian. (you wont talk to >> >>>>> God >>>> on >> >>>>> >>>> anyones behalf..) >> >>>>> >>>> I think you are in deep trouble, dude. >> >>>>> >>> No, I am fine. I say a little prayer every once in a while >> >>>>> >>> about >> >>>>> >>> atheists. >> >>>>> >> That one ever get answered? ;-)- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>>> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>>>> > Well, I know one atheist who became a Christian. >> >> >>>>> Ah nice. I was just such a man. I eventually grew out of it though. >> >>>>> :-)- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>>> Well, you were just an atheist working undercover. >> >>>> If you were going back to atheism, you were never really a believer. >> >>>> Robert B. Winn >> >> >>> Every single atheist in this newsgroup started out as an atheist. (so >> >>> did every Christian too, for that matter) >> >>> Some of us converted to Christianity from atheism, then back again. >> >>> I have a two year old who is an atheist, he has absolutely no belief >> >>> in God whatsoever. >> >> >> I'm not sure that counts, seeing as he believes in Santa Claus, the >> >> Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and the Monster Under The Bed. >> >> > Actually, he's also asantaist, abunnyist, afairyist and amonsterist >> > too. >> > He's only two years old, Alex, he doesn't even know what those things >> > are yet, plus, we're very careful about what sort of fairy tales we >> > tell >> > him anyway. >> > Besides, kids aren't dumb. >> > Any parent could see that kids operate on two levels anyway. >> > On one level, they like the fantasy/monster stories and enjoy being >> > scared by them, and on another level they are fully aware that it's >> > only >> > make- believe. >> > They're not stupid but they enjoy the exciting pretence of it all >> > The only time it becomes stupid is when they carry that over to >> > adulthood and start believing that the magic stories are real. >> >> >> IME, children are naturally credulous. >> >> > Naturally trusting, not credulous. >> > There's a difference . >> >> >> We pick explanations that fit the available facts. �If our environment >> >> acts as if Santa Claus is real and we have no evidence to doubt that >> >> assertion, we believe. >> >> > It all depends on what Mom and Pop tell us, right? >> > When we're telling them about Jack and the beanstalk, they know we're >> > not being serious, but still go along with the story. >> > The problem occurs when we tell them about Jesus walking on water and >> > raising the dead, and they naturally assume we are being serious about >> > that, because we always make the distinction either directly or >> > indirectly between one magic story and the other. >> > "Now forget about all of those silly magic stories we told you - here's >> > some REAL magic stories" >> > The Santa story is simply training wheels for the God story any way. >> > It amazes me that at my daughters school, she can have science lessons >> > one minute, where she is taught to examine facts using the scientific >> > method, and in the next Religious Education lesson straight afterward, >> > she is told to abandon any critical thinking skills and simply believe. >> > Why does the education system insist on trying to confuse our children >> > like that? >> >> No problem, provided she realises there is a sign over the RI classroom >> saying 'abandon reason, all ye who enter here'- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > She is only going to that class so that you will have something to > complain about. > Robert B. Winn What are you talking about? She has no choice as to whether she attends those classes or not - they are part of the school curriculum. Fortunately, she's a smart cookie, because she still gets top marks in her R.E. exams but understands it is all a load of baloney too. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Steve O on 9 Jul 2008 22:52 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:5dce862a-7819-40c2-975c-03619fed1b40(a)f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > > God can save everyone who wants to be saved. Atheists say they do not > want to be saved. > Robert B. Winn You're lying again. Atheists say that there is nothing to be saved from. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Smiler on 9 Jul 2008 23:02 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:84bff2b4-0681-45bf-93ec-63f62c26ab9c(a)59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Jul 8, 2:41?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > The Loan Arranger wrote: > > Ben Dolan wrote: > >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>>>> According to scripture unless a prayer is asked in faith it will not > >>>>> be answered. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> And according to empirical evidence, a prayer asked in faith will > >>>> not be > >>>> answered either. > >>> What do you call empirical evidence? > >>> Robert B. Winn > > >> You hang out in physics newsgroups and you don't know what empirical > >> evidence is? I'm talking about peer reviewed, double-blind studies on > >> the efficacy--or more precisely, the complete lack of efficacy--of > >> prayer. > > > I hate to mention it, but have you read `The Efficacy of "Distant > > Healing"' (Annals of Internal Medicine, 2000, 132/11 pp.903-910)? > > > It was a study of peer-reviewed studies (mostly double-blind) into a > > range of healing methods, including "healing touch" and intercessionary > > prayer. Although it ruled that a number of the trials suffered from poor > > protocols or inherent bias, it did conclude that a majority showed > > statistically significant treatment effects, including trials considered > > well structured and conducted. > > > The article had a good range of grant fundings, including the Wellcome > > Trust, the ?National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine > > and the National Institutes of Health. > > > One of the more interesting conclusions, by the way, is that although > > Christian prayer appeared somewhat efficacious, a number of other > > methods, some Pagan, some atheist (in the sense of having no worship > > element), worked equally well or better. > > Indeed. Prayer has effect. But to whom, is largely irrelevant ;-) > > > > > TLA- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Sennacherib, the Assyrian king, was praying to a graven image when his two sons murdered him. ---------------------------------------- Was he praying to be murdered? Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 9 Jul 2008 23:07
"Ben Dolan" <ben_dolan_III(a)reet.com> wrote in message news:1ijs09z.1vgfwe818qh09fN%ben_dolan_III(a)reet.com... > rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: > >> Why do you ask? You have already said you deny God, you deny Jesus >> Christ, and you worship Ho whack. >> So how is it any of your business what I know or what I do? > > Ooh! Ooh! I know the answer! > > Because you're an insufferable Christard who posts in alt.atheism? Well done. 10/10. A gold star for you. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279 |