Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: z on 11 Jul 2008 14:36 On Jul 7, 10:43 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > Try eating cinnamon, your partner will appreciate it. Cinnamon sends her appreciation as well.
From: z on 11 Jul 2008 14:37 On Jul 8, 9:06 pm, DuhIdiot <jmSasPhbAu...(a)windstream.net> wrote: > "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote innews:6dfkvqF2c3ttU1(a)mid.individual..net: > > <snip> > > > Just came across an interesting argument. The comedian Carrie Snow > > once said "If God were a woman, sperm would taste of chocolate". > > > Just don't ask me to find out. > > That's a cool line, but it makes at least as much sense with "woman" > replaced by "man". > > -- > No SPAM in my email. "Dear God: What's the deal with the pomegranite? Just wondering. Thanks. "Your humble servant, etc."
From: Antares 531 on 11 Jul 2008 15:32 On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:15:08 -0700, ben_dolan_III(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: >Antares 531 <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote: > >> >> When I lived in Florida a few years back, I arrived home one evening >> >> just after sundown and saw a very large alligator slithering across >> >> our front lawn. I was afraid to get close to the beast but after it >> >> began moving away I parked the car and went inside to tell my wife >> >> about this alligator. >> >> >> >> We both came back out to look at the beast but it was gone and we >> >> could find no trace of it. I had ample "evidence" that an alligator >> >> had slithered across our front lawn, but I could not transfer this >> >> evidence. My wife could either reject my claim or accept it on faith. >> >> >> > >> >As you said, a claim, but not evidence. >> > >> There was evidence for me, but no transferable evidence. My point was >> that there can be, and often is evidence that isn't transferable. > >But there's plenty of evidence that alligators live in Florida, isn't >there? So your claim is completely reasonable based on considerable >supporting evidence. If your claim was that the baby Jesus had slithered >across your front lawn, then that would be a different matter >altogether, now wouldn't it? Believing you saw an alligator on your >lawn isn't purely a matter of faith, but believing you saw Jesus would >be (and Florida being a hotbed of religulous nutcases, I'm sure someone >has made such a claim at some point.) Do you understand the difference? > >Give it a rest, Gordon, we've heard this particular line of argument >countless times before. You're not covering any new ground, and you >still haven't addressed the basic issue: there is no evidence for the >existence of supernatural gods of any sort--reptilian or otherwise. > Ben, there is an ABUNDANCE of evidence that God exists, but this evidence is not transferable between human minds. If you and other atheists have your minds closed against God's existence, it will NEVER be possible for anyone to overwhelm you and force you to change your mind. To accept or to reject God is a fully volitional choice that you and all of us have. If it were possible to overwhelm an atheist's mind on this, they would NOT have a volitional choice at all. As I've said in previous posts, I'm not trying to re-direct you or overwhelm you with my beliefs on these matters. I'm posting merely for the benefit of those who are still searching for information, and who might want to review the Christian perspective on these matters. It is a lot easier to believe that an intelligent designer orchestrated the big bang and the formation of the multiverse, then created life on at least this one little insignificant planet, than it is to conclude that it was all a matter of chance. One little channel of thought on this subject...genetic mutations. In most cases any significant chain of mutations had to progress through MANY very well orchestrated steps, involving many totally separate DNA mutations, before any tangible Darwinian natural selection benefits could have guided the further refinement. Leaving this to chance would surely have resulted in a complete failure of the process, or even the extinction of the life forms involved. Yet not just one, but millions of such chain-of-events evolutionary processes went to a very fine state of development in a very short period of time, in terms of the ordinary evolutionary processes time frame. Sure, evolution happens. Hereford cows and Angus cows are certainly different. But this micro evolution process doesn't spontaneously accomplish things like eyes in almost every advanced life form. Some form of cosmic intelligence (God) was in control through the critical developmental phase of all we can evaluate, objectively. It didn't just happen, spontaneously. I'll agree, one has to be careful how one tries to conceptualize God. God is spirit, not an oversized old man with a white beard, sitting on a majestic throne somewhere off in deep space. That concept was acceptable and favorable to those ancient people who knew nothing about the scientific order of the multiverse. But, most of us modern hominids have progressed beyond this, and now need an understanding of God that is more congruent with our scientific knowledge. It isn't that God doesn't exist, or no longer exists. It is merely that those old sources of information on God are not easy to reconcile with our current level of scientific knowledge. God is spirit and we must worship Him is spirit. That is to say, God exists as a cosmic intelligence that permeates the entire multiverse, and can interact across the entirety of the multiverse, instantly. This seems to fit right in with something in the realm of quantum entanglements. Note; I'm NOT saying that quantum entanglements explain the mind of God, but I believe this is pretty close. That is, something at the quark level, that functions about like we've observed in quantum entanglements, could perhaps provide means for consciousness, somewhat like the synapses of our own brains do. Quantum entangled particles "communicate" at trans-light speed. That is, they interact instantly, even across enormous distances. Something similar to quantum entanglements, involving all the quarks of the multiverse, could provide means for this cosmic consciousness that we call God. A cosmic consciousness such as this would fit right in with Biblical passages which state that God is aware of every hair of our heads, and even things as insignificant as a sparrow. Gordon
From: Steve O on 11 Jul 2008 16:48 "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:6dpg30F3obruU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "Steve O" <nospamhere(a)thanks.com> wrote in message > news:6dpb2pF3pfehU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> >> <hhyapster(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:423233e8-bce0-4c74-a4e4-a131f86ed4be(a)m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jul 11, 7:04 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>> On Jul 9, 7:31 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> > news:db1c5671-b400-4028-8821- >>>> >>>> > >> IME, children are naturally credulous. ?We pick explanations that >>>> > >> fit the >>>> > >> available facts. ?If our environment acts as if Santa Claus is >>>> > >> real and >>>> > >> we >>>> > >> have no evidence to doubt that assertion, we believe.- Hide quoted >>>> > >> text - >>>> >>>> > >> - Show quoted text - >>>> >>>> > > Or, like Steve O's little boy, if the parents say there is no God, >>>> > > they try to believe what they hear their parents say. >>>> > > Robert B. Winn >>>> >>>> > You obviously weren't listening. >>>> > I haven't told him there is no God. >>>> > I'm sure, like his sister, he can make his own mind up later on that. >>>> > I just hope I can equip him with the critical thinking skills >>>> > required to >>>> > come to that decision. >>>> >>>> > -- >>>> > Steve O >>>> >>>> So you are saying that you son does not know you are an atheist. >>>> That is certainly very open minded. >>>> Robert B. Winn >> >> You just don't listen. >> My son is two years old- he doesn't know what an atheist is. >> His sister who is 9, understands, and considers herself to be an atheist. > > How horrible for you.. I can see it now -- sprog hits puberty and teenage > rebel phase, refuses to wear makeup, won't shag pimply boyfriend or get a > tattoo, and declares her firm intention to enter a convent over Friday > fish.... God, I know... it's awful isn't it? Sometimes I have to tell her to misbehave just so she'll seem normal. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence > >
From: Steve O on 11 Jul 2008 16:51
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:e730cc99-4f9a-47c2-a0e9-5a0b9903b552(a)y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > Your two year old child is trying to be like you. Didn't you say that > you were an atheist? > Robert B. Winn What is it about the outward appearance and behaviour of an atheist which you imagine is noticeable or copyable for a two year old? |