Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jun 2008 19:11 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 21, 12:40�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:56edcfa9-ed9c-4a17-a4bb-43924bb2fc7e(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >> >> So atheists are bigots by their own definition. >> >> ============ >> >> Not if they don't have any children. > > Some atheists do have children, but most atheists seem to kill their > own children before they are born. The ones who kill their own > children seem more bigoted to me. BAAAHAHAHA!! Classic. Any eviden..... oh forget it, of course not!
From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jun 2008 19:16 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 21, 4:13 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 20, 3:39 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 19, 12:02�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>>>>>>> Says the believer in a magic sky fairy that magically inseminated a virgin >>>>>>>>>>>> so that she could magically remain a virgin and magically produce his magic >>>>>>>>>>>> son who went on to do magic tricks, like magically turning water into wine, >>>>>>>>>>>> magically walking on water and and magically feeding 5000 people with the >>>>>>>>>>>> scantest of supplies. This magic son, although supposedly dead, magically >>>>>>>>>>>> came back to life and then magically disappeared. All evidence, outside of >>>>>>>>>>>> the of the only book supposedly describing these magical happenings, >>>>>>>>>>>> magically disappeared. This believer apparently also believes that a magic >>>>>>>>>>>> angel magically came to earth with a magic set of golden disks and gave them >>>>>>>>>>>> to a well known fraudster to magically translate into English and then, >>>>>>>>>>>> magically, the disks disappeared. This believer also talks to the magic sky >>>>>>>>>>>> beings to magically get them to work their magic in his favour. Does he also >>>>>>>>>>>> wear magic underwear...curious minds and all that. >>>>>>>>>>>> And I haven't even started on the OT, yet. >>>>>>>>>>>> Smiler, >>>>>>>>>>>> The godless one >>>>>>>>>>>> a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> You haven't started on anything. >>>>>>>>>> This is a scant rebuttal. How is he wrong?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> I did not spend any great amount of time studying his statement. �As >>>>>>>>> far as I could tell there was nothing true in it. >>>>>>>> This seems to read like "I don't like it, so I won't accept/believe it". >>>>>>>> What specifically rings false about it? I'd like to know how you assess >>>>>>>> statements for truth.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> The entire thing was false as far as I could tell. �What was there in >>>>>>> it that you thought was true? >>>>>> Your religion believes that Jesus was born of a virgin? Jesus reportedly >>>>>> turned water into wine.... There are no known natural mechanisms by >>>>>> which these things could happen, hence the characterisation as magic. >>>>>> Should I go on? >>>>>> You haven't been able to tell me how you assay for truth, maybe you >>>>>> don't know yourself? There's no shame in that, a lot of people don't >>>>>> think about these things.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> I do not worry about mysteries like that. Whatever their explanation, >>>>> they will not save any souls. The atonement of Christ is what >>>>> Christians need to understand. >>>> What if your religious leaders are lying to you? Maybe it's not >>>> deliberate, maybe they're just deluded. Could you tell? >>>> I would feel totally unarmed to make sensible decisions about the world >>>> without a rational and questioning nature.- Hide quoted text - >>> Well, no doubt it is difficult for you. >> It certainly can be, but not as difficult as having to deal with >> religious-thinking as well.- Hide quoted text - >> > Well, the basic idea of atheists is that whatever atheists do is just > fine. Who needs Josef Stalin when you can kill 2,000,000 people every > year in the United States before they are even born? Do you lie more if your faith is under attack? I really thought that lies displeased most gods. Someone else's atheism is not a blanket justification for any actions. No-one has claimed it. No-one believes it except perhaps you. You're lying.
From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jun 2008 19:17 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 21, 4:14 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 20, 3:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 19, 12:06�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>> Well, what you are saying is that the Biblical account of the Assyrian >>>>>>> invasion of Judea is fiction. �What part of it do you claim is >>>>>>> fiction? �So far we have discussed the earthen ramp and Hezekiah's >>>>>>> tunnel. �Are you still claiming that those are fiction? >>>>>> You're still claiming London doesn't exist, huh? >>>>>> I don't know either account, so really don't have an opinion. Have you >>>>>> considered that maybe neither account is accurate? If pressed, I would >>>>>> go with the explanation with the best evidential support. I don't have a >>>>>> reason to decide at this point. >>>>>> Happy to be agnostic on something! >>>>> OK, well, my opinion is that unless an atheist has an opinion about >>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel and the earthen ramp, it is a waste of time to try >>>>> to discuss the Bible with that person. >>>> Wow, why would you say that? It's a minor Biblical detail. >>>> They exist, is that opinion enough?- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, any person who will not admit that someing exists which can be >>> seen is not going to admit the existence of things which cannot be >>> seen. So conversation with atheists is totally unprofitable. >> No-one *ever* denied their existence. If they did, then you have >> consistently denied that London exists too. >> >> All we demand is logical consistency. Would you like to talk about Harry >> Potter again? ;-)- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > No reason to talk about Harry Potter. There never was. Then there was no reason to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel or earthern ramps either. I agree with you. :-)
From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jun 2008 19:21 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 21, 4:18 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 20, 3:58 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 19, 7:48�am, Ye Old One <use...(a)mcsuk.net> wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:56:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> enriched this group when s/he wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 18, 6:01?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:29:16 -0700 (PDT), "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA >>>>>>>> Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:19 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 12:10 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> You say all this on the basis of absolutely no evidence. >>>>>>>>>> OK, so once again you are saying that the earthen ramp and Hezekiah's >>>>>>>>>> tunnel do not exist because there is no evidence of the Assyrian >>>>>>>>>> invasion of Judea. ?Well, what about the pillar in Ninevah with >>>>>>>>>> Sennacherib's account? ?Are you saying that does not exist also? >>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>> Do you ever stay on topic? ?Have you finished accusing people of >>>>>>>>> saying things they didn't? >>>>>>>> Isn't it amazing how completely dishonest he is in his reading of what >>>>>>>> others say? >>>>>>> The topic was the Assyrian invasion of Judea. �An atheist said there >>>>>>> was absolutely no evidence of this topic. >>>>>> Who? When? >>>>>>> I was saying there was. >>>>>> But little of it matches up with the characters of the fictionalized >>>>>> biblical version. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Bob.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> The Biblical version is obviously the true one. >>>> Obviously how?- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, I have gone through that several times, so I see no reason to do >>> it again. >> It seems you just pick the account that best accords with your >> religion's doctrines.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > It may seem like that to an atheist with an agenda to stamp out > Christianity. So tell me something, why would it make any difference > to you which account I pick? Not to me, I just value a rational approach to life. It's okay, you can be as Christian as you want, if we all believed the same thing, we couldn't have the fun we're having here! "Stamp out Christianity"... heh heh, where do you get it from?! :-)
From: Darrell Stec on 21 Jun 2008 19:32
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 20, 4:01 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 20, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Jun 20, 5:34 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>> On Jun 19, 5:55 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: >> >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>> Well, go ahead and talk about God, but I can tell you ahead of >> >> >>>>> time, you do not know anything about God. No atheist does. >> >> >>>>> Robert B. Winn >> >> >>>> nahh...we'll discus what we want...you choose your fiction..and >> >> >>>> that's all you have been expressing faith in..nothing else...and >> >> >>>> we'll point out our fiction...and we won't base a worldview on >> >> >>>> our inability to deal with reality like you do....Don't like it? >> >> >>>> Pray for us...otherwise..tough... >> >> >>>> -- >> >> >>>> “Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the >> >> >>>> question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is >> >> >>>> it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position >> >> >>>> that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because >> >> >>>> conscience tells one it is right.” >> >> >>>> Martin Luther king Jr.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>> Well, people would do better if they learned to do their own >> >> >>> praying. Robert B. Winn >> >> >> Thinking is preferred by everyone else here..it actually does >> >> >> something... >> >> >> > Well, so you think that you can destroy Christianity. That was what >> >> > this conversation was about when it began. That was why I was >> >> > pointing out that the Bible was the best selling book in the world. >> >> > Not so, said atheists. Harry Potter is the best selling book in the >> >> > world. >> >> >> That's a bit melodramatic, isn't it? I'm just interested in your >> >> beliefs and how they're rationalised. Destroying Christianity is a >> >> ridiculous aspiration, you'd constantly be disappointed!- Hide quoted >> >> text - >> >> > So why do atheists have schools teaching that Christianity is false? >> > If they do not have the aspiration, why are they trying to do it? >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Can you name those schools? It which specific class would that be >> taught? What is an atheist school and how is it designated, by some type >> of charter or corporate document? >> >> -- >> Later, >> Darrell Stec dars...(a)neo.rr.com >> >> Webpage Sorceryhttp://webpagesorcery.com >> We Put the Magic in Your Webpages- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > All public education in the United States is now atheistic. Here, let me try again. You didn't seem to answer the questions, probably because the format was too difficult for you. Let me try to simplify things. Question one: Can you name those schools? Your answer to this question goes here (hint: list of names of specific schools): Question two: In which specific class would 'Christianity is false' be taught? Your answer to question two goes here (hint: list the actual names of the class and textbooks used that show your statement to be true for those schools listed in question one): Question three: What is an atheist school? Answer to question three goes here (hint: give a fully qualified definition of atheist school): Question four: How is it designated? Answer to question number four goes here (hint: how does an atheist school delineate itself from any other type of school): Question five: Do you gather this information and tell it is an atheist school from its charter or incorporation papers? Answer to question five goes here (hint: please give the exact document you used as issued by named schools to prove they are atheist schools): If these questions are still too difficult for you, let me know and I will ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend and then answer them. > Robert B. Winn -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec(a)neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages |