Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Alex W. on 21 Jun 2008 20:01 "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message news:485d827a$1(a)clear.net.nz... > Alex W. wrote: >> "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message >> news:485c8ff5$1(a)clear.net.nz... >>> Alex W. wrote: >>>> "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message >>>> news:485c2855$1(a)clear.net.nz... >>>> >>>> >>>>> Please don't mention cricket, I'm a Kiwi. >>>>> >>>> Ah, an Aussie with manners! >>>> Good on yer. >>>> :-) >>> Cheers mate! >> >> No worries. >> Just be gentle with our rugby lads .... > > See the game last night (this morning, no doubt for you)? Better show by > the ABs, but I'll leave off about that if you promise never to mention the > cricket. I don't know why you don't want me to mention the cricket since you levelled the series (you lucky sods), but if you really don't want me to mention the cricket, I won't mention it again (the cricket, that is). > >>>>> You're right though, Marmite is actually the best reason to believe in >>>>> God that I've seen. Greases axles and puts hairs on your chest! >>>> Marmite, WD40 and gaffer tape -- what more does a man need? >>> Just a shed to chuck it all in. >> >> Hey now, why do you want to chuck it all in? There's a world out there >> full of famous rugby victories, chardonnay and lamb chops, marmite and >> warm women ... > > By "chuck it in" I meant a shed to put the Marmite stocks in, and do > mysterious and unsafe "man stuff" with power tools. :-) Man stuff? Power tools? Why didn't you say "shearing shed" in the first place? Aussie:"Back home, we shear our sheep." Kiwi:"Sod off and get your own."
From: Darrell Stec on 21 Jun 2008 20:07 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 20, 4:22 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 20, 3:35 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >> > wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Jun 19, 8:22 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> > On Jun 18, 3:50 pm, Darrell Stec >> >> >> > <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Jun 18, 10:11�am, Darrell Stec >> >> >> >> > <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 17, 2:53�am, Darrell Stec >> >> >> >> >> > <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Well, I analyzed the Bible. �What I find is that God >> >> >> >> >> >> > would not want His children to die and just cease to be >> >> >> >> >> >> > or to be punished forever, so He sent his Son to >> >> >> >> >> >> > overcome death. �Because of wickedness, we see today >> >> >> >> >> >> > that most people will reject God's gift of eternal life. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Let me ask you a question. �Who would know more about LDS >> >> >> >> >> >> theology, one of the churches twelve apostles, or a Hari >> >> >> >> >> >> Krishna monk> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> > Who do you think would know more about LDS theology? �Why >> >> >> >> >> > do you ask? Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> >> >> Evasion noted. �Why are you afraid to answer a couple of easy >> >> >> >> >> questions? Why do you think I would ask? �Could it be the >> >> >> >> >> answer might be obvious? >> >> >> >> >> > Well, if the answer is obvious, then there was no reason to >> >> >> >> > ask the question. Go ahead and say whatever you were going to >> >> >> >> > say. Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> >> Why are you afraid to tell us whether or not one of the 12 >> >> >> >> apostles of the Mormon church would know more about LDS theology >> >> >> >> than an Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of? I know the >> >> >> >> answer, but I don't know if you do and that is why I am asking. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Later, >> >> >> >> Darrell Stec dars...(a)neo.rr.com >> >> >> >> > Well, why don't you just make up your own mind about that? >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> I already have made an informed and knowledgeable opinion. I am >> >> >> trying to find out what you believe (asking what you think would be >> >> >> unfair because you are shooting without bullets) to be the case. >> >> >> Why are you afraid to answer the question? Is it because it has >> >> >> never been discussed in bible school and you have nothing to copy >> >> >> and paste? Go ask your bishop what he thinks, as you allow others >> >> >> to think for you until you pull stupid things out of thin air. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> > Well, why don't you ask my bishop yourself? >> >> >> What is his name, email address, physical address and phone number and >> >> I will ask him. I'll also send him a list of your more insane >> >> postings. >> >> >> > I told you athiests >> >> > before that I was not going to be your researcher. >> >> >> What research do you need to do to answer a question as to whether an >> >> apostle of your church's council of twelve would know more about LDS >> >> philosophy than a Hari Krishna monk? That is a person opinion. Or do >> >> you mean that nobody told you what to think in regard to the question >> >> so you can't copy and paste it? >> >> >> > If you want to know what I believe,I can give you name to the >> >> > missionaries as a referral , and they can tell you what I beleive. >> >> >> Why can't you give us your opinion yourself? Why are you having so >> >> many problems answering an easy question? What are you afraid of? >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> > Well, the General Authorities of our church have counseled us to avoid >> > contention with other churches. So if you have some bone to pick with >> > the Hare Kirshna church, leave me out of it. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Why are you avoiding the question? Why is it so difficult for you to >> answer the question? It is a simple one. Whom do you think knows more >> about LDS theology, one of the twelve apostles making up the council of >> the LDS church or a Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of. >> Certainly there is no injunction in your church against answering the >> question. Why are you avoiding it? >> > I am not avoiding it. You said the answer is obvious, so obviously, > you already know the answer. > Robert B. Winn I know the answer to the question. I do not know what YOUR answer to the question is because you are too afraid to answer a simple, direct question. Why is that? I want to know what YOUR answer to the question is. -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec(a)neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
From: Alex W. on 21 Jun 2008 20:05 "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message news:485d8115(a)clear.net.nz... > rbwinn wrote: >> On Jun 21, 12:43?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:c5f85d3b-d62a-4cf8-925f-661796bd9082(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> All public education in the United States is now atheistic. >>> >>> ========== >>> >>> IOW, it conforms to the law of the land. >> >> The law of the land guaranteed freedom of religion, right to trial by >> jury, free and open elections, and many other things that do not exist >> in the United States today. > > You don't feel free to practice your religion? Weird. It's a VERY > religious country. > > Public education shouldn't teach people things that are not shown to be > true. They shouldn't teach Christianity, Islam, Odinism OR Hinduism. Why > is that wrong? He does not grasp that "freedom of religion" also means "freedom FROM religion".
From: rbwinn on 21 Jun 2008 20:07 On Jun 21, 3:27 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 21, 4:22 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 20, 4:37 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 20, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jun 20, 5:34 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 5:55 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, go ahead and talk about God, but I can tell you ahead of time, > >>>>>>>>>>> you do not know anything about God. No atheist does. > >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>> nahh...we'll discus what we want...you choose your fiction..and > >>>>>>>>>> that's all you have been expressing faith in..nothing else...and we'll > >>>>>>>>>> point out our fiction...and we won't base a worldview on our inability > >>>>>>>>>> to deal with reality like you do....Don't like it? Pray for > >>>>>>>>>> us...otherwise..tough... > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the > >>>>>>>>>> question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is it > >>>>>>>>>> right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is > >>>>>>>>>> neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because conscience tells one > >>>>>>>>>> it is right. > >>>>>>>>>> Martin Luther king Jr.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> Well, people would do better if they learned to do their own praying. > >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>> Thinking is preferred by everyone else here..it actually does > >>>>>>>> something... > >>>>>>> Well, so you think that you can destroy Christianity. That was what > >>>>>>> this conversation was about when it began. That was why I was > >>>>>>> pointing out that the Bible was the best selling book in the world. > >>>>>>> Not so, said atheists. Harry Potter is the best selling book in the > >>>>>>> world. > >>>>>> That's a bit melodramatic, isn't it? I'm just interested in your beliefs > >>>>>> and how they're rationalised. Destroying Christianity is a ridiculous > >>>>>> aspiration, you'd constantly be disappointed!- Hide quoted text - > >>>>> So why do atheists have schools teaching that Christianity is false? > >>>>> If they do not have the aspiration, why are they trying to do it? > >>>> Do we? What schools? What fresh hell is this?!- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Public schools. > >> Could you explain how they teach that Christianity is false?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > The same way Darrell Stek does. They promote the teachings of modern > > atheists and claim that anything written about Christ is fiction. > > Total rubbish. Or can you actually substantiate that claim with anything > other than baseless assertions? > > Schools have a duty to impart knowledge about reality, if that guides > people to be less religious, then perhaps your religion is at fault for > not according better with reality. > > If schools were to teach about Christ (which would be okay in a > comparitive religion class), then they must also teach about other major > religious beliefs too, as they're all just as well supported, and just > as dear to sections of the population.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: rbwinn on 21 Jun 2008 20:14
On Jun 21, 3:30 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 21, 12:43�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:c5f85d3b-d62a-4cf8-925f-661796bd9082(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com.... > > >> All public education in the United States is now atheistic. > > >> ========== > > >> IOW, it conforms to the law of the land. > > > The law of the land guaranteed freedom of religion, right to trial by > > jury, free and open elections, and many other things that do not exist > > in the United States today. > > You don't feel free to practice your religion? Weird. It's a VERY > religious country. > > Public education  shouldn't teach people things that are not shown to be > true. They shouldn't teach Christianity, Islam, Odinism OR Hinduism. Why > is that wrong? Public education is nothing more than a propaganda agency today. I notice that you did not seem as concerned about discussing right to trial by jury and free and open elections as you were about making sure religion was subject to atheism. Robert B. Winn |