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From: Matthew Johnson on 31 Jul 2008 22:30 In article <RoSdndCfxuQq_Q_VnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>, DanielSan says... > [snip] >> Just as soon as atheists take sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity >> out of the header the way Matthew asked them to do. > >And why would we follow Matthew? Nobody is asking you to follow me;) Follow common decency and common sense instead. Google "crossposting netiquette" yourself and read what comes up; you will see that following common decency and common sense DOES imply you will give up crossposting to recklessly.
From: Smiler on 31 Jul 2008 23:23 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:4937d184-9c40-4146-a3bb-b72b0333d3df(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... On Jul 30, 3:43?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > <5756c0f4-924c-42b6-b121-8d1294e14...(a)m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: > > > > > > >On Jul 22, 4:36?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >On Jul 21, 6:51?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >On Jul 21, 5:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >On Jul 20, 4:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:57:06 -0700, DanielSan > >> >> >> >> <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> > >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >> >rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 20, 10:18 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> ... > > >> >> >> >> >>> So, Jesus didn't say it. > > >> >> >> >> >> Paul said it. ?He was one of the twelve apostles. > > >> >> >> >> >So, Jesus didn't say it. > > >> >> >> >> And, as we all know, Paul was not one of the Twelve. > > >> >> >> >Well, if you doubt that Paul was one of the twelve, why don't > >> >> >> >you wait > >> >> >> >until after you are resurrected and ask Paul if he was one of > >> >> >> >the > >> >> >> >twelve? > > >> >> >> You are really ignorant about the Bible. No wonder you insist on > >> >> >> making > >> >> >> a fool of yourself. > > >> >> >> Clue. Even Paul tells us he wasn't one of the Twelve. > > >> >> >> If there were a God, He would strike you down for being such a > >> >> >> bad > >> >> >> example.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> >The book of Acts says Paul was ordained an apostle, Paul says he is > >> >> >an > >> >> >apostle. ?Paul was an apostle, regardless of how many atheists of > >> >> >today say he was not. > > >> >> Once again, you choose to lie rather than admit your error. Nowhere > >> >> in > >> >> the entire Bible does it say that Paul was one of the Twelve. That > >> >> was a > >> >> claim you made up that was not true. > > >> >> Keep lying. Prove to us how much of a fake you are.- Hide quoted > >> >> text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >Acts 14:14 ?Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they > >> >rent their clothes, and ran in among the people crying out. > > >> So, as you can see, apostle does not mean 'one of the Twelve'. > > >> Please, learn the myths you are trying to sell us. Your god would be > >> embarrassed by your ignorance if he existed.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Well, yes it does mean ?one of the Twelve. > > Then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go waste some > time reading the Gospels, Acts and letters to find out that _no one_ > thought that Paul was one of the Twelve.- Hide quoted text - > Well, Paul thought he was. I don't think ================================ CYPFY, skippy. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 31 Jul 2008 23:32 "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwhipp(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:6974255b-5eec-454c-a69a-21450ee01847(a)r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 31, 2:57 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> On Jul 30, 6:07 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:57:19 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> > <4937d184-9c40-4146-a3bb-b72b0333d...(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: >> >> > >On Jul 30, 3:43?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> > >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> > >> <5756c0f4-924c-42b6-b121-8d1294e14...(a)m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: >> >> > >> >On Jul 22, 4:36?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> > >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> > >> >> >On Jul 21, 6:51?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> > >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> > >> >> >> >On Jul 21, 5:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> > >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >On Jul 20, 4:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >> > >> >> >> >> >wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:57:06 -0700, DanielSan >> > >> >> >> >> >> <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> >> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >rbwinn wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 20, 10:18 am, DanielSan >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> ... >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> So, Jesus didn't say it. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Paul said it. ?He was one of the twelve apostles. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >So, Jesus didn't say it. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> And, as we all know, Paul was not one of the Twelve. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Well, if you doubt that Paul was one of the twelve, why >> > >> >> >> >> >don't you wait >> > >> >> >> >> >until after you are resurrected and ask Paul if he was one >> > >> >> >> >> >of the >> > >> >> >> >> >twelve? >> >> > >> >> >> >> You are really ignorant about the Bible. No wonder you >> > >> >> >> >> insist on making >> > >> >> >> >> a fool of yourself. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Clue. Even Paul tells us he wasn't one of the Twelve. >> >> > >> >> >> >> If there were a God, He would strike you down for being >> > >> >> >> >> such a bad >> > >> >> >> >> example.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > >> >> >> >The book of Acts says Paul was ordained an apostle, Paul says >> > >> >> >> >he is an >> > >> >> >> >apostle. ?Paul was an apostle, regardless of how many >> > >> >> >> >atheists of >> > >> >> >> >today say he was not. >> >> > >> >> >> Once again, you choose to lie rather than admit your error. >> > >> >> >> Nowhere in >> > >> >> >> the entire Bible does it say that Paul was one of the Twelve. >> > >> >> >> That was a >> > >> >> >> claim you made up that was not true. >> >> > >> >> >> Keep lying. Prove to us how much of a fake you are.- Hide >> > >> >> >> quoted text - >> >> > >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > >> >> >Acts 14:14 ?Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard >> > >> >> >of, they >> > >> >> >rent their clothes, and ran in among the people crying out. >> >> > >> >> So, as you can see, apostle does not mean 'one of the Twelve'. >> >> > >> >> Please, learn the myths you are trying to sell us. Your god would >> > >> >> be >> > >> >> embarrassed by your ignorance if he existed.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > >> >Well, yes it does mean ?one of the Twelve. >> >> > >> Then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go waste >> > >> some >> > >> time reading the Gospels, Acts and letters to find out that _no one_ >> > >> thought that Paul was one of the Twelve.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > >Well, Paul thought he was. I don't think he would have gone around >> > >lying about it. >> >> > You are lying about what Paul said. He never claimed to be one of the >> > Twelve.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> He said he was an apostle. He would not have said that if he had not >> been ordained. >> Robert B. Winn > > I am an apostle. > Congratulations on your 'elevation', Al. :-) Are you gonna write a gospel for inclusion in the next edition of the wholly babble? "The gospel according to Dog"? Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 31 Jul 2008 23:39 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:74e33f61-7fad-44fa-b185-e4ba97a12350(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com... On Jul 30, 6:11?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:be74563b-03d2-4707-ae51-5a2279e92ef5(a)25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 22, 4:58?am, The Chief Instigator <patr...(a)io.com> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> writes: > > > On Jul 21, 10:08?pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > > >> >> >God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. > > > >> >> You have no evidence at all about God. > > > >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > >> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some > > >> evidence > > >> of God as well. > > > > God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for > > > you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything. > > > Sacre m?rde...this supposed god sent Steve? ?Funny, how your holy book > > has > > been in error for only a couple of thousand years... > > Well, the Bible says that in the last days there will be many false > Christs. ?Now you have Steve being one of them. > ================================== > And Harry Potter books say that Magic is real. > Why should I belive either of them? > > Smiler, Well, you need to learn to decide things like that for yourself, Smiler. Why do atheists have so much trouble making that kind of decision? =========================== I don't. Why do you, skippy? Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: rbwinn on 31 Jul 2008 23:42
On Jul 31, 2:47�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:e614fbd1-1d14-42db-856a-84936af30751(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > OnJul30, 10:32 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> OnJul31, 2:57 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >> > OnJul30, 6:07 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> > > On Wed, 30Jul2008 17:57:19 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > >> > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > >> > > <4937d184-9c40-4146-a3bb-b72b0333d...(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: > > >> > > >OnJul30, 3:43?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > > >> On Tue,29Jul2008 21:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > >> > > >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > >> > > >> <5756c0f4-924c-42b6-b121-8d1294e14...(a)m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: > > >> > > >> >OnJul22, 4:36?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Mon, 21Jul2008 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> > > >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> > > >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> > > >> >> >OnJul21, 6:51?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > > >> >> >> On Mon, 21Jul2008 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> > > >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> > > >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> > > >> >> >> >OnJul21, 5:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> > >> > > >> >> >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >> >> >> On Mon, 21Jul2008 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> > > >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> > > >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> > > >> >> >> >> >OnJul20, 4:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> > >> > > >> >> >> >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 20Jul2008 14:57:06 -0700, DanielSan > >> > > >> >> >> >> >> <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> > >> > > >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >rbwinn wrote: > >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> OnJul20, 10:18 am, DanielSan > >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> > > >> >> >> >> >> ... > > >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >>> So, Jesus didn't say it. > > >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Paul said it. ?He was one of the twelve apostles.. > > >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >So, Jesus didn't say it. > > >> > > >> >> >> >> >> And, as we all know, Paul was not one of the Twelve.. > > >> > > >> >> >> >> >Well, if you doubt that Paul was one of the twelve, why > >> > > >> >> >> >> >don't you wait > >> > > >> >> >> >> >until after you are resurrected and ask Paul if he was > >> > > >> >> >> >> >one of the > >> > > >> >> >> >> >twelve? > > >> > > >> >> >> >> You are really ignorant about the Bible. No wonder you > >> > > >> >> >> >> insist on making > >> > > >> >> >> >> a fool of yourself. > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Clue. Even Paul tells us he wasn't one of the Twelve. > > >> > > >> >> >> >> If there were aGod, He would strike you down for being > >> > > >> >> >> >> such a bad > >> > > >> >> >> >> example.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> > > >> >> >> >The book of Acts says Paul was ordained an apostle, Paul > >> > > >> >> >> >says he is an > >> > > >> >> >> >apostle. ?Paul was an apostle, regardless of how many > >> > > >> >> >> >atheists of > >> > > >> >> >> >today say he was not. > > >> > > >> >> >> Once again, you choose to lie rather than admit your error. > >> > > >> >> >> Nowhere in > >> > > >> >> >> the entire Bibledoesit say that Paul was one of the > >> > > >> >> >> Twelve. That was a > >> > > >> >> >> claim you made up that was not true. > > >> > > >> >> >> Keep lying. Prove to us how much of a fake you are.- Hide > >> > > >> >> >> quoted text - > > >> > > >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> > > >> >> >Acts 14:14 ?Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard > >> > > >> >> >of, they > >> > > >> >> >rent their clothes, and ran in among the people crying out. > > >> > > >> >> So, as you can see, apostledoesnot mean 'one of the Twelve'. > > >> > > >> >> Please, learn the myths you are trying to sell us. Yourgod > >> > > >> >> would be > >> > > >> >> embarrassed by your ignorance if he existed.- Hide quoted > >> > > >> >> text - > > >> > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> > > >> >Well, yes itdoesmean ?one of the Twelve. > > >> > > >> Then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go waste > >> > > >> some > >> > > >> time reading the Gospels, Acts and letters to find out that _no > >> > > >> one_ > >> > > >> thought that Paul was one of the Twelve.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > >Well, Paul thought he was. I don't think he would have gone around > >> > > >lying about it. > > >> > > You are lying about what Paul said. He never claimed to be one of the > >> > > Twelve.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > >> > He said he was an apostle. He would not have said that if he had not > >> > been ordained. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> I am an apostle. > > >> Al- Hide quoted text - > > > So who ordained you an apostle? > > Robert B. Winn > > You did. > You said that people who say they are an apostle are an ordained apostle, > and that they wouldn't say they were an apostle unless they were an apostle. > It's right up there, in the text. > > -- > Steve O Paul was ordained an apostle. Al was not. Robert B. Winn |