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From: Steve O on 31 Jul 2008 17:45 "Stan-O" <bndsna807(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:db74949s6h6uplrtf8ie8f5bjcck3l5ns4(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:52:30 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> > wrote: > >>> >> No I can't. >>> >> Did you think I was psychic or something? >>> >>> >Well, no. ?I thought that you were a false Christ. >>> >>> No, that would be Dore Williamson. I'm sure you remember her.- Hide >>> quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >>No, sorry. Never heard of her. There was a Williamson family that >>used to be professional thieves, traveled all over the United States >>ripping people off. > > You should google some of Dore's posts from '03 to '06 to see how you > are going to end up. I wonder what happened to Dore. She was completely nuts. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Steve O on 31 Jul 2008 17:47 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:e614fbd1-1d14-42db-856a-84936af30751(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 30, 10:32�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> On Jul 31, 2:57 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 30, 6:07 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> > > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:57:19 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> > > <4937d184-9c40-4146-a3bb-b72b0333d...(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: >> >> > > >On Jul 30, 3:43?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> > > >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> > > >> <5756c0f4-924c-42b6-b121-8d1294e14...(a)m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: >> >> > > >> >On Jul 22, 4:36?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > >> >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> > > >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> > > >> >> >On Jul 21, 6:51?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> > > >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> > > >> >> >> >On Jul 21, 5:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >> > > >> >> >> >wrote: >> > > >> >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> > > >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >On Jul 20, 4:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >> > > >> >> >> >> >wrote: >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:57:06 -0700, DanielSan >> > > >> >> >> >> >> <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >rbwinn wrote: >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 20, 10:18 am, DanielSan >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> ... >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >>> So, Jesus didn't say it. >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Paul said it. ?He was one of the twelve apostles. >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >So, Jesus didn't say it. >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> And, as we all know, Paul was not one of the Twelve. >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Well, if you doubt that Paul was one of the twelve, why >> > > >> >> >> >> >don't you wait >> > > >> >> >> >> >until after you are resurrected and ask Paul if he was >> > > >> >> >> >> >one of the >> > > >> >> >> >> >twelve? >> >> > > >> >> >> >> You are really ignorant about the Bible. No wonder you >> > > >> >> >> >> insist on making >> > > >> >> >> >> a fool of yourself. >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Clue. Even Paul tells us he wasn't one of the Twelve. >> >> > > >> >> >> >> If there were a God, He would strike you down for being >> > > >> >> >> >> such a bad >> > > >> >> >> >> example.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > > >> >> >> >The book of Acts says Paul was ordained an apostle, Paul >> > > >> >> >> >says he is an >> > > >> >> >> >apostle. ?Paul was an apostle, regardless of how many >> > > >> >> >> >atheists of >> > > >> >> >> >today say he was not. >> >> > > >> >> >> Once again, you choose to lie rather than admit your error. >> > > >> >> >> Nowhere in >> > > >> >> >> the entire Bible does it say that Paul was one of the >> > > >> >> >> Twelve. That was a >> > > >> >> >> claim you made up that was not true. >> >> > > >> >> >> Keep lying. Prove to us how much of a fake you are.- Hide >> > > >> >> >> quoted text - >> >> > > >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > > >> >> >Acts 14:14 ?Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard >> > > >> >> >of, they >> > > >> >> >rent their clothes, and ran in among the people crying out. >> >> > > >> >> So, as you can see, apostle does not mean 'one of the Twelve'. >> >> > > >> >> Please, learn the myths you are trying to sell us. Your god >> > > >> >> would be >> > > >> >> embarrassed by your ignorance if he existed.- Hide quoted >> > > >> >> text - >> >> > > >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > > >> >Well, yes it does mean ?one of the Twelve. >> >> > > >> Then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go waste >> > > >> some >> > > >> time reading the Gospels, Acts and letters to find out that _no >> > > >> one_ >> > > >> thought that Paul was one of the Twelve.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > >Well, Paul thought he was. I don't think he would have gone around >> > > >lying about it. >> >> > > You are lying about what Paul said. He never claimed to be one of the >> > > Twelve.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > He said he was an apostle. �He would not have said that if he had not >> > been ordained. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> I am an apostle. >> >> Al- Hide quoted text - > > So who ordained you an apostle? > Robert B. Winn You did. You said that people who say they are an apostle are an ordained apostle, and that they wouldn't say they were an apostle unless they were an apostle. It's right up there, in the text. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Steve O on 31 Jul 2008 17:49 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:ae8f4467-84cc-4236-931c-962a8093f584(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 31, 3:14�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:6ae29228-aa4f-4c68-a5af-211b12dc6a24(a)i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 30, 6:28 pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:27:57 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Steve O >> >> >> >> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) >> >> >> >> B.A.A.W.A. >> >> >> >> Convicted by Earthquack >> >> >> >> Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >Well, with regard to that, psychiatrists only treat patients who >> >> >> >are >> >> >> >financially profitable to them. ?That makes psychiatrists among >> >> >> >the >> >> >> >most useless people on earth, along with lawyers. >> >> >> >> Slyly, Robert tries to change the subject...- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> Nothing in the discussion included lawyers until you decided to start >> >> spewing your paranoid delusions.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > All discussions of today include lawyers. �Who do you think the people >> > are who allow discussions to take place? >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Now you're really starting to lose it. >> >> -- >> Steve O > > Was that the meltdown you were talking about? > Robert B. Winn Unless you can demonstrate to me exactly how lawyers control ALL discussions, I'm going to have to assume your meltdown has already started. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: rbwinn on 31 Jul 2008 18:10 On Jul 31, 5:52�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > >>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. > >>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some > >>>>>>> evidence > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> God as well. > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Steve O > >>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for > >>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything. > >>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God? > >>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all, > >>>>> it's > >>>>> just an old, old story. > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Steve O > >>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three > >>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of > >>>> Hezekiah's tunnel. > >>>> ================================ > >>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station. > >>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true? > >>>> Smiler, > >>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for > >>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self- > >>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself. > >> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to > >> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible. > > >> -- > >> ****************************************************** > >> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * > > > Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's > > tunnel. �Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one > > atheist claimed? � > > Which atheist? �Provide a quote. > > > Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate > > to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? �Was the > > tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it > > some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup? > > Which atheists? �Provide quotes. > > > I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to > > make a decision about this. > > The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's > > tunnel are either true, or they are false. �So far, having said that > > the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there > > are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are > > obviously true. > > How about this mindblower: > > Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. �The Bible talks about it. �The Bible is > true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness > of the Bible. > > Look at every fiction story ever written. �A great majority of them > write about the Earth. �An even greater majority talk about humans. > > Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe > the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are? > Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction of something that can be observed. But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all books that describe something that can be seen are fiction. The furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope this will help you in your studies. Robert B. Winn
From: Free Lunch on 31 Jul 2008 18:56
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:18:11 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 30, 6:33?pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:58:30 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Paul was one of the twelve. ?He was ordained when James the son of >> >> >Zebedee was killed by Herod. ?The apostles kept the quorum at twelve >> >> >until Peter was crucified in Rome, then one by one all of the apostles >> >> >were killed. ?You are claiming that because some translators misused >> >> >the term apostle that the apostles would have been controlled by that >> >> >future mis-translation. ?It does not work that way, just as the >> >> >disbelief of atheists today did not control the existence of Jesus >> >> >Christ. >> >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> >> Feel free to back up your ahistorical claim with real evidence or even >> >> the story line from the New Testament.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Well, I think we should wait until the resurrection and ask Paul about >> >it. >> >> <THWACK> >> Still haven't learned have you?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Ha ha ha, didn't even hurt. That's cause he hit your head, which is completely free of all nerves. |