Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: DanielSan on 31 Jul 2008 08:36 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 30, 9:49�pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 30, 6:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 30, 3:40 pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:42:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator >>>>>>>>>>> was being an atheist. >>>>>>>>>> Why? >>>>>>>>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people. >>>>>>>>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators. >>>>>>>> ...and to think that Marx himself was Jewish...- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Marx said that he was an atheist. How is it that now that Communism >>>>>>> has failed, all of these Communist icons are suddenly religious men? >>>>>> Because you read filtered propaganda instead of doing any research >>>>>> into their backgrounds. >>>>> Well, I knew that Karl Marx was born to a Jewish family and became an >>>>> atheist. I knew that Josef Stalin was born into a Russian Orthodox >>>>> family and became an atheist. Those are just facts. So how do >>>>> atheists of today hope to change the facts by claiming that these two >>>>> individuals were religious men? >>>> So, you believe Marx and Stalin when they claimed to be atheists? >>> I absolutely do. �They sound just like atheists of today. >> You mean, you don't think they were lying for political gain? >> > Yes, they were lying for political gain Therefore, it's possible they weren't atheists. <snip lie> -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: rbwinn on 31 Jul 2008 08:41 On Jul 30, 10:15�pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com.... > >> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com.... > >>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. > >>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > >>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some > >>>>> evidence > >>>>> of > >>>>> God as well. > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Steve O > >>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for > >>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything. > >>>> Robert B. Winn > >>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God? > >>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all, > >>> it's > >>> just an old, old story. > >>> -- > >>> Steve O > >> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three > >> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of > >> Hezekiah's tunnel. > >> ================================ > >> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station. > >> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true? > > >> Smiler, > > > Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for > > yourself? �I know that atheists are a little lacking in self- > > confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself. > > I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. �I still fail to > see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible. > > -- > ****************************************************** > * � � � � �DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 � � � � � �* Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one atheist claimed? Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup? I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to make a decision about this. The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are obviously true. Robert B. Winn
From: DanielSan on 31 Jul 2008 08:52 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 30, 10:15�pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. >>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some >>>>>>> evidence >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> God as well. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Steve O >>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for >>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything. >>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God? >>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all, >>>>> it's >>>>> just an old, old story. >>>>> -- >>>>> Steve O >>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three >>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of >>>> Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>> ================================ >>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station. >>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true? >>>> Smiler, >>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for >>> yourself? �I know that atheists are a little lacking in self- >>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself. >> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. �I still fail to >> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible. >> >> -- >> ****************************************************** >> * � � � � �DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 � � � � � �* > > Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's > tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one > atheist claimed? Which atheist? Provide a quote. > Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate > to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the > tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it > some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup? Which atheists? Provide quotes. > I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to > make a decision about this. > The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's > tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that > the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there > are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are > obviously true. How about this mindblower: Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness of the Bible. Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans. Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: Steve O on 31 Jul 2008 15:07 "DanielSan" <danielsan(a)speakeasy.net> wrote in message news:ZvCdnWLkP_fjKAzVnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > rbwinn wrote: >> On Jul 30, 10:15�pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. >>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some >>>>>>>> evidence >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> God as well. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Steve O >>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for >>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God? >>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at >>>>>> all, >>>>>> it's >>>>>> just an old, old story. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Steve O >>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three >>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of >>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>>> ================================ >>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station. >>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true? >>>>> Smiler, >>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for >>>> yourself? �I know that atheists are a little lacking in self- >>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself. >>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. �I still fail to >>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible. >>> >>> -- >>> ****************************************************** >>> * � � � � �DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 � � � � � �* >> >> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's >> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one >> atheist claimed? > > Which atheist? Provide a quote. > >> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate >> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the >> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it >> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup? > > Which atheists? Provide quotes. > >> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to >> make a decision about this. >> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's >> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that >> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there >> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are >> obviously true. > > How about this mindblower: > > Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is > true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness of > the Bible. > > Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them write > about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans. > > Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe > the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are? Dan- you're wasting your time- he really doesn't get it. He's not even pretending to be that dumb- he actually doesn't get it. At one time , I suspected that he may simply be a chat-bot but he soon proved he isn't, on the grounds that chat-bots are actually capable of learning from being corrected. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Stan-O on 31 Jul 2008 16:17
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:52:30 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> No I can't. >> >> Did you think I was psychic or something? >> >> >Well, no. ?I thought that you were a false Christ. >> >> No, that would be Dore Williamson. I'm sure you remember her.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >No, sorry. Never heard of her. There was a Williamson family that >used to be professional thieves, traveled all over the United States >ripping people off. You should google some of Dore's posts from '03 to '06 to see how you are going to end up. |