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From: Gordon on 3 Oct 2006 15:56 On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:21:12 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >John Fields wrote: > >> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:59:42 +0100, "T Wake" wrote: >> >"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> So what? With world domonation as its goal, one would expect it >> >> would strike world-wide, as the opportunity arose. >> > >> > >> >Whose goal? "It" isn't really appropriate to define the long term aims of a >> >disparate group of organisations. Are "they" trying to dominate the world or >> >destroy western society or convert every one or... >> --- >> "It" being radical Islam, the goal, in my opinion, would be to >> convert everyone to Islam and have them be subject to control by >> Muslim jurists, the goal being total world domination by Islam. >> >> Refusal to convert would result in death. > >There is no entity called 'radical Islam'. > >Who exactly do you mean ? > >Graham > If the Muslims behind the atrocities in the following list were not radical, does this imply that all Muslims are of this same mind set? Do all Muslims regard the persons who did these things as honorable, non-radical Muslims whom all should love and respect? 1979 Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. Fourteen were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days, on the day of President Reagan's inauguration. 1982-1991 Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days. 1983 April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility. 1983 Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded a truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 Marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut. 1983 Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80. 1984 Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military. Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. Two Americans killed. 1985 April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82. June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed. 1985 Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya. 1985Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya. 1986 April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9. 1986April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds. 1988 Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families. 1993 Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected. 1985 Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing five U.S. military servicemen. 1996 June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. Thirteen Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001. 1998 Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. Four men connected with al-Qaeda two of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large. 2000 Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. Seventeen sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network. 2001 Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed two commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; two more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.) 2002 June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda. 2003 May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers killed 34, including eight Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected. 2004 May 29-31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American. 2004 June 11-19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Dec. 6, Jiddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate killing 5 befor
From: Gordon on 3 Oct 2006 16:00 On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:06:56 +0100, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >news:v673i2dusng3t5a82qt9hm7n8ve5p4t7ua(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:59:42 +0100, "T Wake" >> <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >>>news:3kh2i2p1qoa888afm2l1ksq3j2qcvcfvrl(a)4ax.com... >>>> --- >>>> So what? With world domonation as its goal, one would expect it >>>> would strike world-wide, as the opportunity arose. >>> >>> >>>Whose goal? "It" isn't really appropriate to define the long term aims of >>>a >>>disparate group of organisations. Are "they" trying to dominate the world >>>or >>>destroy western society or convert every one or... >> >> --- >> "It" being radical Islam, > >Radical Islam can't be described as having a "single unified goal." Some >radical Islamic groups which operate as Terrorist organisations in Asia have >no interest in Global conversion. > >> the goal, in my opinion, would be to >> convert everyone to Islam and have them be subject to control by >> Muslim jurists, the goal being total world domination by Islam. >> >> Refusal to convert would result in death. > >Ok. This is just your opinion though. An equally valid opinion would be to >say the US has global world domination as it's goal. It is after all only an >opinion. > If the U.S. had "world domination" as a goal we would surely have kept control of those countries we liberated during previous wars. Gordon
From: Homer J Simpson on 3 Oct 2006 16:07 "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:bp15i2tcudiitke1b9dt5i8h2c2btatpih(a)4ax.com... > Yeah, right! A pretty much tapped-out England and Germany joined by > a bunch of little pissant states squabbling about who'd be leading > and who'd be following and is this proper and is that not proper, > and in the meantime the Russian juggernaut would have rolled right > over you, LOL! Stalin was TOO paranoid to try that. He preferred killing his own people. Left to his own devices, the USSR would have been all commissars and no generals.
From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 16:08 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45229F2D.194CE2EC(a)hotmail.com... > > T Wake wrote: > >> "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >> >Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>Gordon wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:47:08 +0100, Eeyore wrote: >> >>>> John Fields wrote: >> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:59:42 +0100, "T Wake" wrote: >> >>>>>> "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >> >>>>>>> So what? With world domonation as its goal, one would expect it >> >>>>>>> would strike world-wide, as the opportunity arose. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Whose goal? "It" isn't really appropriate to define the long term >> >>>>>> aims of a >> >>>>>> disparate group of organisations. Are "they" trying to dominate >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> world or >> >>>>>> destroy western society or convert every one or... >> >>>>> --- >> >>>>> "It" being radical Islam, the goal, in my opinion, would be to >> >>>>> convert everyone to Islam and have them be subject to control by >> >>>>> Muslim jurists, the goal being total world domination by Islam. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Refusal to convert would result in death. >> >>>> Do you often conjure up such idiotic ideas out of thin air ? >> >>>> >> >>>> Graham >> >>>> >> >>> Graham, what John said is straight out of their Koran. Repeated >> >>> in many Surah, Ayah passages. For example; >> >>> >> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> >> >>> Surah 47, Ayah 4 When ye encounter the infidels, strike of their >> >>> heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the >> >>> rest make fast the fetters. >> >>> >> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> >> >>> For the record, an infidel is anyone who is not a recognized >> >>> Muslim in good standing. A Muslim who turns away from the Muslim >> >>> religion is an infidel. Any person who belongs to and >> >>> acknowledges belonging to any other religion is an infidel. >> >>> >> >>> Gordon >> >> >> >>Then how do you account for Iran having the second highest Jewish >> >>population in the ME? According to your theory they should all be >> >>Muslims or dead by now. >> > >> > --- >> > They are "People of the Book" and deserve respect. >> >> As are Christians. Gordon did say "For the record, an infidel is anyone >> who >> is not a recognized Muslim in good standing." >> >> This implies that Jews, Christians, Hindus etc are all subject to the >> beheading. > > According to whom ? The original quote which was being discussed.
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on 3 Oct 2006 16:09
T Wake wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:45229C68.148DC1AD(a)hotmail.com... >> >> T Wake wrote: >> >>> The same reason unthinking Muslims support groups considered terrorist by >>> the west. >> Is Hezbollah a terrorist organisation ? >> > > If you are asking my opinion..... then yes. A nasty, ruthless one. However > sometimes terrorists seem to come in from the cold. That's the point at which they've won. -- Dirk http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress - The UK's only occult talk show Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM |