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From: Gordon on 3 Oct 2006 15:14 On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:47:09 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote: > >> <mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message >> >> > We did change the behavior of Germany and Japan, didn't we? >> >> At the cost of maybe 20% of the German population > >About 10% actually. >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties > >> - which clearly noone is >> willing to pay yet in the middle east; mainly because it would look really bad >> on TeeVee. If one is not going to fight for real and destroy the opponents there >> is really, really no point in sending soldiers. > >< snip > > >> I.M.O: If WW2 was conducted the same way, we would be still be busy knocking >> over small groups of Waffen SS while talking about our "deep respect" for >> Neo-German culture and the historic achievements of Hitler (all the while buying >> German products to prop up the failing plundocracy)! > >There's no comparison since no Muslim country is actually at war with us, imagined >or otherwise. > >Graham > Graham, are you saying that the events on the following list were just fun and games, and not to be construed as war in any form? I don't agree. It seems to me that 23 years of "turning the other cheek" was enough. It was time to put an end to this kind of irresponsible brutality. Gordon 1975 Jan. 24, New York City: bomb set off in historic Fraunces Tavern killed 4 and injured more than 50 people. Puerto Rican nationalist group (FALN) claimed responsibility, and police tied 13 other bombings to the group. 1979 Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. Fourteen were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days, on the day of President Reagan's inauguration. 1982-1991 Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days. 1983 April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility. 1983 Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 Marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut. 1983Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80. 1984 Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military. Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. Two Americans killed. 1985 April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82. June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed. 1985 Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya. 1985Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya. 1986 April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9. 1986 April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds. 1988 Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families. 1993 Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected. 1985 Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing five U.S. military servicemen. 1996 June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. Thirteen Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001. 1998 Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. Four men connected with al-Qaeda two of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large. 2000 Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. Seventeen sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network. 2001 Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed two commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; two more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.) 2002 June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda. 2003 May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers killed 34, including eight Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected. 2004 May 29-31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Sau
From: Eeyore on 3 Oct 2006 15:19 John Larkin wrote: > On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:28:11 GMT, "Homer J Simpson" wrote: > >"Lloyd Parker" <lparker(a)emory.edu> wrote > > > >> Tell me how many times the Bill of Rights says "people" and how many times > >> it says "citizens." > > > >SCOTUS has said that even visitors have the rights of citizens when it come > >to legal processes. After all, you expect their homeland laws to apply in > >the US would you? > > Correct. But they also realize that the rights apply only when those > people are physically in the USA. Which is why some bad guys are held > elsewhere. So you can 'get round the rules'. That's so reassuring to know. So the rules have effectively been flushed down the toilet for anyone yoy don't much care for. Graham
From: Eeyore on 3 Oct 2006 15:24 Gordon wrote: > On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:47:09 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > >Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote: > >> <mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message > >> > >> > We did change the behavior of Germany and Japan, didn't we? > >> > >> At the cost of maybe 20% of the German population > > > >About 10% actually. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties > > > >> - which clearly noone is > >> willing to pay yet in the middle east; mainly because it would look really bad > >> on TeeVee. If one is not going to fight for real and destroy the opponents there > >> is really, really no point in sending soldiers. > > > >< snip > > > > >> I.M.O: If WW2 was conducted the same way, we would be still be busy knocking > >> over small groups of Waffen SS while talking about our "deep respect" for > >> Neo-German culture and the historic achievements of Hitler (all the while buying > >> German products to prop up the failing plundocracy)! > > > >There's no comparison since no Muslim country is actually at war with us, imagined > >or otherwise. > > > >Graham > > Graham, are you saying that the events on the following list were > just fun and games, and not to be construed as war in any form? I > don't agree. It seems to me that 23 years of "turning the other > cheek" was enough. It was time to put an end to this kind of > irresponsible brutality. > > Gordon > > 1975 Jan. 24, New York City: bomb set off in historic Fraunces > Tavern killed 4 and injured more than 50 people. Puerto Rican > nationalist group (FALN) claimed responsibility, and police tied > 13 other bombings to the group. So go to war with Puerto Rics - oops that's 'kinda' one of yours isn't it ? LOL ! > 1979 Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the > U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. Fourteen were later released. > The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days, on the day of > President Reagan's inauguration. So go to war with Iran. > 1982-1991 Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped > in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in > captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was > held for 2,454 days. > > 1983 April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide > car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic > Jihad claimed responsibility. > > 1983 Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded > truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 > Marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French > paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut. So go to war with Lebanon. > 1983Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait Shiite truck bombers attacked > the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80. So go to war with Kuwait. > 1984 Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside > the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military. > Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait > to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. Two Americans > killed. See above. > 1985 April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by > U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82. > June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA flight 847 en route from Athens to > Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 > days. A U.S. Navy diver executed. So go to war with Spain. > 1985 Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise > ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to > Libya. So go to war with Libya. You did 'sort of'. > 1985Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome > and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were > Americans. Bombing linked to Libya. See above. > 1986 April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight > 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and > injuring 9. So go to war with Greece ( a NATO ally ). > 1986 April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco > frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds. > > 1988 Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 > exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into > Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. > Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. > military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 > years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to > victims' families. See above. < snip pointless tirade > Was there a point to this rant ? Ever wondered why it happens to the USA most btw ? Graham
From: Homer J Simpson on 3 Oct 2006 15:30 "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:jfr4i21cr7v19okiju8thv4fnn2hici7af(a)4ax.com... > And that has _what_ to do with racism??? God killed his child so he killed to get back at God. Racism, religionism, it's all of a piece.
From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 15:44
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45229A6B.1F273DBC(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> Personally I think without 11 Sept 2001, the situation in NI would still >> be >> hostile. > > The timescale doesn't fit with that idea. > Prior to the "GWOT" the hardliners were still strongly advocating armed conflict. Following the Declaration of War on Nebulous Concepts, Sinn Fein pulled out all the stops to turn peaceful. The emergence (and rise in activity) of splinter groups also supports this change. However, this is nothing but a personal opinion so I may be wrong. |