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From: Eeyore on 9 Nov 2006 16:27 T Wake wrote: > We are about to introduce a national ID card Are we ? > (unthinkable for British > people who traditionally have never needed that, nor even need a passport to > leave the country), Americans will shortly need permission to leave the country ! > our "left wing" government has tried to introduce trial > without jury, the police can stop and search on the most tenuous basis, if > you are even slightly suspected of a "terrorist" related offence you can be > detained for days without legal counsel (etc.). I thought you're allowed a solicitor. Graham
From: Eeyore on 9 Nov 2006 16:45 John Fields wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message > >> > >> > These people came from an economic system where the only property > >> > owners (I think) were farms. The only people who knew how to > >> > make things go were property owners. When the above people envisioned > >> > the manufacturing and industrial revolution, did they also anticipate > >> > where people would only own 1/8 acre with a hut on it? > >> > >> You mean like all of the people in Europe who lived in the cities already > >> had? > > > >I'll bet my place here has a lot less than 1/8 of an acre ! > > --- > I'll bet it does too. > > 1/8 acre is 5445 square feet. > > So how big is your lot I'll have to estimate that one. About 18' wide by 90 so 1620 sq ft. > and how big is your hovel? About 1000 sq ft. A slightly larger than average Victorian end terrace house. Graham
From: Jonathan Kirwan on 9 Nov 2006 18:58 On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:45:08 +0000, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >John Fields wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> > These people came from an economic system where the only property >> >> > owners (I think) were farms. The only people who knew how to >> >> > make things go were property owners. When the above people envisioned >> >> > the manufacturing and industrial revolution, did they also anticipate >> >> > where people would only own 1/8 acre with a hut on it? >> >> >> >> You mean like all of the people in Europe who lived in the cities already >> >> had? >> > >> >I'll bet my place here has a lot less than 1/8 of an acre ! >> >> --- >> I'll bet it does too. >> >> 1/8 acre is 5445 square feet. >> >> So how big is your lot > >I'll have to estimate that one. About 18' wide by 90 so 1620 sq ft. I'm scared to tell you how much land I currently own or expect to add to it in the next year, then. But its in the five to six figures in sq ft terms. >> and how big is your hovel? > >About 1000 sq ft. A slightly larger than average Victorian end terrace house. Well, out in the western part of the US, we don't have good options for transportation, so we tend to accumulate the tools of living isolated. I have a JD 4320 tractor with self-leveling front loader, backhoe and 6' wide tiller. We grow much of our own food, and I need room for an office, a library, a sewing room, a museum room, two kitchens, 5 baths, a 220 sq ft 'bird room' where I keep finches, chipmunks, squirrels, and the like, a pantry, cold storage room, furnace room, ... well, it takes some space. We have a 300' well that provides water, too, so filters and storage tanks for that as well as a pump house. Currently, 5000 sq ft with another 1200 sq ft of 35' ceiling, slab cement floor shed. I'll be adding a 2400 sq ft barn and perhaps another 4000 sq ft home, in this next year. The downside of this is that it is a lot to maintain. I have to dig up my own property to fix/repair breaks in the water lines (over 1000' runs about 3-4 feet underground), do my own watershed management, put down structural walls for terracing, repair a quarter mile asphalt driveway myself, etc. So one learns how to build a home or a barn by themselves, repair or replace a roof, cut down trees and use a portable saw mill, etc. My livingroom is bigger than your house and has 14 foot ceilings and I could put your home in my shed, too. Jon
From: Ben Newsam on 9 Nov 2006 18:13 On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:05:18 -0000, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: ><lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >news:toL4h.116$yE6.3(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >> Something I've always wondered.... Orwell was English, right? Was "1984" >> a cautionary tale against what he saw happening in England after WWII >> ("Ingsoc")? If so, it's interesting that US society has in some ways come >> a lot closer to Big Brother than I am given to understand UK society has. > >The UK is definitely along that road. CCTV coverage in cities is nearly >total. Indeed. To be fair, most people are in favour of CCTV everywhere. It makes me feel a lot safer, anyway. > We are about to introduce a national ID card (unthinkable for British >people who traditionally have never needed that, nor even need a passport to >leave the country), our "left wing" government has tried to introduce trial >without jury, <...> Don't forget the recent partial removal of the "double jeopardy" rules too. Again, in that particular case I tend to agree with the changes. > <...> the police can stop and search on the most tenuous basis, if >you are even slightly suspected of a "terrorist" related offence you can be >detained for days without legal counsel (etc.). They wouldn't do that in the USA would they? Ah no, they do it in Cuba instead and pretend it's the USA. Unless it is more convenient to say it's Cuba, of course. And it's years there, not days...
From: John Larkin on 9 Nov 2006 20:14
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:45:08 +0000, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >John Fields wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> > These people came from an economic system where the only property >> >> > owners (I think) were farms. The only people who knew how to >> >> > make things go were property owners. When the above people envisioned >> >> > the manufacturing and industrial revolution, did they also anticipate >> >> > where people would only own 1/8 acre with a hut on it? >> >> >> >> You mean like all of the people in Europe who lived in the cities already >> >> had? >> > >> >I'll bet my place here has a lot less than 1/8 of an acre ! >> >> --- >> I'll bet it does too. >> >> 1/8 acre is 5445 square feet. >> >> So how big is your lot > >I'll have to estimate that one. About 18' wide by 90 so 1620 sq ft. > > >> and how big is your hovel? > >About 1000 sq ft. A slightly larger than average Victorian end terrace house. > >Graham The standard lot size in most of San Francisco is 24' wide by about 120' deep, which ours is. About half of that depth is house and half is garden. The only way to get more living space is to add floors, which in our case involved excavating the side of a mountain. You can walk from one end of a block to the other on the roofs. And the only way to do construction or gardening in the back yard is to haul everything through the house, down a flight of stairs (try a couple of tons of Allen blocks!) It's fun to watch people removing dead trees from their back yards. John |