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From: thelasian on 3 Oct 2006 23:54 T Wake wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:4522E61D.EA28E065(a)hotmail.com... > > > > > > T Wake wrote: > > > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > >> > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > >> >> > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Ahmadinejad hasn't made the mistake of genocide like Saddam did, > >> >> >> he's > >> >> >> just not very popular. > >> >> > > >> >> > How did he get elected then ? > >> >> > >> >> The glib answer is "Just like Bush." Look at how popular *he* is. > >> >> > >> >> The honest answer is, I don't know. I have to admit I'm not familiar > >> >> with > >> >> the workings of the Iranian government. What I do know of the > >> >> situation > >> >> comes from the writings of several scholars of the Middle East, who, > >> >> to a > >> >> man, say that Ahmadinejad is not popular with his constituency, and > >> >> will > >> >> be gone presently if we don't stir the pot too much. > >> > > >> > I agree about not stirring the pot. > >> > > >> > He was popularly elected though. Probably because Bush had pissed off > >> > lots > >> > of Iranians with the axis of evil business. > >> > >> His election was heavily assisted by the Religious leaders though... > > > > Do you have any cite for that ? > > I will endeavour to find a relevant one, a quick slightly relevant one is - > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/16/AR2005061601056.html. > The Guardian Council vetted the presidential candidates to ensure no one too > "reformist" would be on the bill. > > > My understanding was that his electoral success was a surprise to most > > observers. > > Yes. It was. The last president was a secular reformist. Still does not mean > the elections were fair and open democratic process showing the will of the > people. Sorry but the last president was himself a turbaned cleric and not secular, though he was a reformist. Furthermore, the elections in Iran can be criticized for many things but there is no doubt that Ahmadinejad won the majority of the votes, and that the voters rejected the more liberal candidate. THis, after the US encouraged the voters to boycott the vote.
From: thelasian on 4 Oct 2006 00:00 Lloyd Parker wrote: > In article <wGvUg.1284$NE6.314(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > >"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:4522814D.248F1F7E(a)hotmail.com... > >> > >> > >> lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> > >>> Ahmadinejad hasn't made the mistake of genocide like Saddam did, he's > >>> just > >>> not very popular. > >> > >> How did he get elected then ? > > > >The glib answer is "Just like Bush." Look at how popular *he* is. > > > >The honest answer is, I don't know. I have to admit I'm not familiar with > >the workings of the Iranian government. What I do know of the situation > >comes from the writings of several scholars of the Middle East, who, to a > >man, say that Ahmadinejad is not popular with his constituency, and will be > >gone presently if we don't stir the pot too much. > > > >Eric Lucas > > > > > For one thing, he got elected because the unelected Council of Guardians > (mullahs) disqualified pretty much everyone who was not a hard-line > conservative. Myth. Mustafa Moin was a candidate but not a hardliner. Even if this was true, no one forced the poeple to vote for Ahmadinejad or anyone else - the voters could have stayed home. They didn't. In the US, the candidates are whittled down to 2 by the domination of hte Republican-Democrats over the election system, which they intentionally misuse to prevent the rise of a third party candidate.
From: Homer J Simpson on 4 Oct 2006 00:34 <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:rXFUg.11207$6S3.6512(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... >> With such a wide selection to choose from, I often wonder why we have no >> prison islands. You could make the prisoners actually work the land and >> stuff. You never know, it might do them good. > > Well, you tried that with Australia. What happened to that? The Ozzies call it "The Lucky Country". I plan to retire there.
From: Homer J Simpson on 4 Oct 2006 00:34 <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:18EUg.11166$6S3.3785(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... > Much more directly, the US funded and equipped ObL in his struggles > against the Soviets in Afghanistan. The US funded and equipped Saddam > Hussein when we were having a little set-to against the Iranians in the > 70s. Funny, both seemed like such good ideas at the time.... > > What conclusion do you take from these facts? I like to tell my American friends, "The British were the most cunning, devious, unscrupulous bastards that ever ruled an empire and THEY couldn't deal with the Middle East. What the hell are the naive and ignorant Yanks doing there?"
From: Robert Latest on 4 Oct 2006 04:56
["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.] On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:31:34 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote in Msg. <f343i2p5aqlop09564hf9ef118p2pmf76q(a)4ax.com> > On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:16:21 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>You think they are guilty of criminal acts because they do not >>publicly condemn Muslim terrorism? That's a novel interpretation of >>law. Can we find you guilty of not condemming, well, everything that's >>illegal? Better start condemming... you have a lot of catching up to >>do. > > John, I don't think you are reading what I wrote. He has read you quite correctly. Let me refresh your memory on what you wrote: Message-ID: <l9e2i2thg49gbrmpdu959id1mchkfv6f11(a)4ax.com>: > My feeling is that if American Muslims can't/won't be outspoken > against their extremist brothers, in an out-and-out world blow-up > they'll be rounded up into camps just like the Japanese-Americans in > WWII... deservedly... "silence implies consent" (Sir Thomas More). Message-ID: <7jj2i21m9ec0kg388bvffj3npa5tferpoo(a)4ax.com>: > Since most (if not all) Muslims won't criticize Jihad, in a war we > will have to presume that all Muslims are closet Islamic terrorists. You're talking about individual Muslims. Mentioning organisations started later. robert |