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From: T Wake on 29 Jan 2007 07:59 "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:9c698$45bd3ee9$49ecf94$9568(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:45BCEC61.5E1C6C68(a)hotmail.com... >> >>> >>>Ken Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>>>T Wake <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>>I said: >>>> >>>>>>Some Christian cults won't even accept blood transfusions. How insane >>>>>>is >>>>>>that if you're condeming someone to die for a belief when life-saving >>>> >>>>treatment is >>>> >>>>>>readily available ? >>>>> >>>>>I hope that if their god does actually exist, they are all sent to >>>>>hell. >>>> >>>>That is a completely repugnant suggestion. They believe something, they >>>>may be wrong but the only person they harm as a result is themselves. >>>>The >>>>fact that they had no evil intent makes them merely mistaken. The fact >>>>that they harm themselves only with this belief should not mean a trip >>>>to >>>>hell. >>> >>>If they were exclusively harming themselves I'd agree but I've heard of >>>instances >>>( one quite recently ) where parents sought to prevent doctors giving >>>life-saving >>>treatment to their child. I don't recall how that one turned out. >>> >> >> >> Generally the children die and often in pain. This same mindset >> encourages the spread of HIV/AIDS in Africa and prevents new lines of >> research being investigated. All on the whim of an invisible friend no >> one has really heard from in 2000 years. > > LOL. You've fallen into a logical trap right behind Eeyore. If > someone heard from the invisible friend ~2000 years ago you're > acknowledging the dual nature of a famous individual. Are you > sure you want to go there? It isn't a logical trap. Christians believe that the invisible thing is there and as a result the last time he sent a messenger was 2000 years ago. It doesnt carry any implication about the real existance of the said phantom, the nature of the messenger 2000 years ago or my opinion of the current situation. >> Sometimes my toaster gives me this sort of advice but I have learned to >> ignore it.
From: jmfbahciv on 29 Jan 2007 07:57 In article <45BC1911.CC7A470F(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >unsettled wrote: > >> Eeyore wrote: >> > unsettled wrote: >> >>T Wake wrote: >> >> >> >>>Ok, if we accept that Stalin was head of a European nation, when did he ask >> >>>for the US' help in the Korean war? >> >> >> >>When he instructed his ambassador to walk out of the Security Council. >> > >> > >> > Surely this is some kind of joke ? >> >> If you understood anything about politics you >> *might not* keep making these stupid statements. > >Let me get this right. > >You're suggesting that Uncle Joe Stalin *wanted* the USA to go to war against >another communist country which was an ally of the USSR ? People seem to keep forgetting about China...even today. /BAH
From: T Wake on 29 Jan 2007 08:12 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:epkodf$8ss_001(a)s957.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <qb-dnfTtVrp1WCbYRVnyvAA(a)pipex.net>, > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>news:86f93$45bbbd7e$4fe72dd$24906(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... > <snip> > >>>>> >>>>>Note that while the SU spread far over two continents it was >>>>>always essentially a very European power. >>> >>>> This is more intellectual dishonesty. >>> >>> No it isn't. Russia/SU was always European. >> >>But refering to it as a European power in the context of BAH's statement >>is. >>When she talks about Europe (and uses the term "you" towards the Europeans >>posting in this thread), I doubt she includes Cold War USSR in that >>category. >> >>I may be wrong, and if she clarifies matters I will reconsider. > > The Cold War hadn't happened yet. Do you include the USSR as a European country? >>>> But even at the shocking use of Cold War USSR as being a European >>>> power, >>>> when did Europe ask the US to get involved? >>> >>> Stalin insisted on the subdivision of Korea. What the hell >>> did the US want with another Asian nation to look after? >> >>BAH stated the US got involved in Korea when Europe asked for Help. What >>on >>Earth does Stalin subdividing Korea show about a European nation asking >>for >>help? > > Which European country took the responsibility of cleaning up > the mess in Korea? > [emoticon listens for answer and hears nothing at all] > Hang on, *you* said the US got involved in Korea because a European country asked for the US to help out. Unsettled went to great lengths to define the USSR as a European empire, and define Stalin's encouragement and support for the North to attempt re-unification as a request for help. Now, all of a sudden, you pull the rug out and ask which European country took the responsibility of cleaning up the mess. Amazing. This is such a warped line of logic is really is mind boggling. Are you *now* saying the US did not get involved in Korea because Europe asked for help, but they had to stay because no European country was willing to take responsibility for cleaning up the mess? (Who caused the mess?) Do you have any intellectual moral standards?
From: jmfbahciv on 29 Jan 2007 08:33 In article <k7idnXasJL5VbyDYRVnyiwA(a)pipex.net>, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:epkodf$8ss_001(a)s957.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <qb-dnfTtVrp1WCbYRVnyvAA(a)pipex.net>, >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>>news:86f93$45bbbd7e$4fe72dd$24906(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >> <snip> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>Note that while the SU spread far over two continents it was >>>>>>always essentially a very European power. >>>> >>>>> This is more intellectual dishonesty. >>>> >>>> No it isn't. Russia/SU was always European. >>> >>>But refering to it as a European power in the context of BAH's statement >>>is. >>>When she talks about Europe (and uses the term "you" towards the Europeans >>>posting in this thread), I doubt she includes Cold War USSR in that >>>category. >>> >>>I may be wrong, and if she clarifies matters I will reconsider. >> >> The Cold War hadn't happened yet. > >Do you include the USSR as a European country? Yes. I was taught that the continent extended beyond the English Channel. > >>>>> But even at the shocking use of Cold War USSR as being a European >>>>> power, >>>>> when did Europe ask the US to get involved? >>>> >>>> Stalin insisted on the subdivision of Korea. What the hell >>>> did the US want with another Asian nation to look after? >>> >>>BAH stated the US got involved in Korea when Europe asked for Help. What >>>on >>>Earth does Stalin subdividing Korea show about a European nation asking >>>for >>>help? >> >> Which European country took the responsibility of cleaning up >> the mess in Korea? >> [emoticon listens for answer and hears nothing at all] >> > >Hang on, *you* said the US got involved in Korea because a European country >asked for the US to help out. Unsettled went to great lengths to define the >USSR as a European empire, and define Stalin's encouragement and support for >the North to attempt re-unification as a request for help. > >Now, all of a sudden, you pull the rug out and ask which European country >took the responsibility of cleaning up the mess. > >Amazing. > >This is such a warped line of logic is really is mind boggling. > >Are you *now* saying the US did not get involved in Korea because Europe >asked for help, but they had to stay because no European country was willing >to take responsibility for cleaning up the mess? (Who caused the mess?) You don't know how WWII and WWI got started? > >Do you have any intellectual moral standards? No. I try to reexamine my assumptions constantly; I try very hard to not be stuck in a mindset when the mindset is a source of the problems. /BAH
From: T Wake on 29 Jan 2007 08:40
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:epkqvs$8qk_002(a)s957.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <45BC1911.CC7A470F(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>unsettled wrote: >> >>> Eeyore wrote: >>> > unsettled wrote: >>> >>T Wake wrote: >>> >> >>> >>>Ok, if we accept that Stalin was head of a European nation, when did >>> >>>he > ask >>> >>>for the US' help in the Korean war? >>> >> >>> >>When he instructed his ambassador to walk out of the Security Council. >>> > >>> > >>> > Surely this is some kind of joke ? >>> >>> If you understood anything about politics you >>> *might not* keep making these stupid statements. >> >>Let me get this right. >> >>You're suggesting that Uncle Joe Stalin *wanted* the USA to go to war >>against >>another communist country which was an ally of the USSR ? > > People seem to keep forgetting about China...even today. I just love it when you say things like that. Reminds me of Rev. Lovejoy's wife of the Simpson's.... |