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From: Phil Carmody on 2 Feb 2007 19:31 mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu writes: > In article <87bqkdll8y.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> writes: > >unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> writes: > >> Phil Carmody wrote: > >> > >> > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: > >> > > >> >>The US started with no knowledge and built bombs within 3 years. > >> >>This included all of the infrastructure required. > >> >>The knowledge has been around for five decades so nobody > >> >> has to do that work. > >> > It also includes the requirement that you think 6 is 3. > >> > BAH maths is BAD maths. > >> > It also presumes that Szil�rd, Teller, Einstein and Oppenheimer, > >> > had no knowledge before they started working on the projects. > >> > >> Why didn't you simply include the entire history of mankind > >> and start with "Adam" then" > > > >Because all of the above had were in America, and had some > >part > > > >> Einstein *never* worked on the bomb project. His input was > >> limited to sending a letter at Szilard's request. > > > >And by doing so he validated the theories underpinning the > >work. Theories come before practice. > > Ahh, so that's why James Watt had to wait for thermodynamics before > developing his steam engine. That straw man ought to be below someone posting from a .edu address. If it expands, it will pushes, and if we can trap it so it can only push in one direction, and we can use part of that push to cause the mechanism to reset is a _theory_. It does not require knowledge of the laws of thermodynamics. So your straw man is self-quenching - congratulations. And, just for reference, you're history is incorrect, it wasn't Watt. Hmmm, .edu's ain't what they used to be. > > Without that input from > >him, the research may well not have got underway in 1939. > > > There was no input from relativity required for this research. Do I mention relativity? If so, where? Come on, cite me - message id and line. Cite or retract. So, are you studying strawmanology at Chicago? You're gonna get a starred first at this rate. He was a name. His contribution was his signiture. And, I suspect that his knowledge of mass-energy equivalence might have been one of the reasons why he was considered to have a something relevant to say. > >> The rest of them, including the important work done by > >> Wheeler's group at Princeton and Bohr, started with the > >> Manhattan Project. The problems to be solved were not > >> whether or not a bomb could work, but actually making it > >> work, and a contingent trying to figure out whether or not > >> once started a chain reaction wouldn't extend to the entire > >> planet. > > > >Wrong. The US-based research got underway in 1939. > > > Only small potatoes research. The real effort started by end of 1941. OK, so does small = zero in uchicago.edu. Jesus, don't ever take up teaching maths. Or even trying to learn it! > >> > Weird, as Szil�rd was researching the matter at about the same > >> > time as the Erm�chtigungsgesetz was kicking in (but not publishing > >> > his work for that very reason). > >> > >> Szilard and others were trying to keep up with what the Germans > >> were doing in their nuclear program. We sent a mission to > >> destroy Germany's heavy water facility in Norway. > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage > > > >Irrelevant. Szil�rd's results were from 1933. That alone > >counters BAH's absurd claim. > > Szilard's had no results other than "if such and such may be > happening, then such and such is possible". These are no results at > all. No results were possible before the possibility of fission has > benn discovered, and that was in 1939. No, they're workable theories. As I said, theories before practice. That's good science. Phil -- "Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./.
From: Phil Carmody on 2 Feb 2007 19:33 mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu writes: > In article <87ps8tk0q7.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> writes: > >unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> writes: > >> Phil Carmody wrote: > >> > >> > You are wrong. You know very little. All that became declassified > >> > a decade ago. It all started in 1939. I keep saying this but your > >> > clue-resistance is just too strong. I don't believe you'll > >> > ever learn to tell the truth from falsity. > >> > >> No substantiation = bullshit > > > >Here's one claim of yours: > ><<< > >Nuclear chain reaction wasn't even proved till 1942. So much > >for your earlier "research." > >>>> > >It was proved to be theoretically possible in 1933 by the work > >of Szil�rd and independently by Curie the same year. The only > >thing that wasn't known was the critical mass. Heisenberg had > >the wrong model, Szil�rd and Curie had the right model. > > > No, nothing was proven. All there was, was a "flight of fancy" to the > effect that "*if* there exists a material in which an exotermic > nuclear reaction is induced by an absorption of neutrons and *if* said > reaction is accompanied by the emission of more neutrons then were > needed to induce it in the first place, *then* a release of an > arbitrary large amount of energy is apriori possile". This is a > statment which: > > 1) Is trivially (one may say, tautologically) true. > 2) Is utterly useless unless all the ifs pointed were found to be > true. > 3) Is also quit euseless since it provides no guidance regarding how > to find whether said ifs may be true. > > And, most important, it is not a proof of anything. You seem to have forgotten one critical point. He backed a winner. Phil -- "Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./.
From: Phil Carmody on 2 Feb 2007 20:04 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >What nations do you think are "not dealing" with Iran? > > Bush has given Europe the job to deal with Iran's stubborness. > They are the ones who have been bitching that the US doesn't > know how to do this stuff. In what way was that supposed to be an answer to the question asked? I should probably expect as an answer to my enquiry something like "milky way!". Phil -- "Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./.
From: Phil Carmody on 2 Feb 2007 20:06 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: > Saddam broke a long tradition which was Arab didn't attack Arab. > I think this is going to be viewed as a crucial point in world > history. Which event are you referring to here? Which particular Arabs did he attack and when? (It's not obvious from the context.) Phil -- "Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./.
From: MassiveProng on 2 Feb 2007 20:10
On Fri, 02 Feb 07 13:22:03 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com Gave us: >Oh, it is possible he made a couple. As if a twit like you would even know. > It is more likely that >he didn't pay for it. There are many EMPLOYED, PAID engineers out there that perform such tasks at the behest of their employers. Can you really be so dreadfully clueless as to bring up yet another non-point... AGAIN? |