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From: Jim Thompson on 5 Oct 2006 18:36 On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:07:32 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:54:47 +0100, Eeyore ><rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>John Larkin wrote: >> >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >Lloyd Parker wrote: >>> >> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >A lot of this anti-US fervor started with Democrat Presidential >>> >> >candidates trying out their sound bytes in 2002-2004 in Europe. >>> >> > >>> >> >/BAH >>> >> OH BS. It started with Bush invading another nation. >>> > >>> >Correct. I didn't really give a damn before. >>> > >>> >Graham >>> >>> So, seriously: why do you care now? >> >>America is now threatening my way of life. >> > >Bizarre. How? > >John Personally I'm glad we're making some progress in Eeyore's behalf... maybe he'll decide to shut-up ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: Eeyore on 5 Oct 2006 18:38 Kurt Ullman wrote: > In article <4525758C.D1168AE5(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Not much since it would largely be gobbled by China and India > > > among others. > > > > How would that happen ? > They are the fastest growing users of oil currently. They can't *instantly* take it all though. Graham
From: Eeyore on 5 Oct 2006 18:40 Kurt Ullman wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Kurt Ullman wrote: > > > > You suggested that we stop giving them reasons to hate us. From their > > > own rhetoric and statements, the only way we are going to get that > > > subset that hates to stop is to capitulate. Period. > > > > No it isn't. > Gee apparently the Argument Clinic Sketch has broken out.. (g). > > > Why do you think that ? > > > Well the rhetoric of OBL and other Al_Queda honchoes. The writings and > rhetoric of radical sects in Saudi, the remnants of the Taliban the > pronouncements in public after the various attacks in Europe and Asia, > etc. I generally take people at their word when they say they will > continue to bomb until the US and the West are defeated and Islam rules > throughout the world. These are the guys that want to do is in and the > subset who hate us. No such thing has been said. Graham
From: Eeyore on 5 Oct 2006 18:43 T Wake wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > T Wake wrote: > > > >> In the UK when a nutcase kills someone, the press hound social services > >> ("How could you let this happen") and inevitably some poor functionary > >> will get sacked as a scapegoat. However, the reality of the matter is the > >> nutter was the bad person and the _only_ person to blame. > > > > Actually, in the case of UK social services I can readily believe that > > policy was to blame in fact. > > Really? The policy made the madman kill people? Wow. I never realised that. You should see some of their 'policies' ! It's scary. Graham
From: T Wake on 5 Oct 2006 18:45
"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:4atai2dh3runc46iqe0kplnqjmkica83i6(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:36:01 +0100, "T Wake" > <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >> >>"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >>news:opa7i290tdd070i0c5tfhl8d8m6hdv0859(a)4ax.com... >>> >>> For me, it would depend on the situation. >> >>Really? I dont see how. > > --- > Well, nothing is always black and white, so it would depend on the > situation when the time came to make the choice. After all, > converting to a religion under duress isn't actually like embracing > it, it's just doing whatever has to be done to make sure you stay > alive so you can fight later on. I agree to the extent that most things are rarely black and white. If a public conversion would be such an easy thing for you to embrace, what would be wrong with (for example) your country converting to Islam and living under Sharia law. Then the extremists would have little excuse to continue their attacks. (Yes, simplistic, I know). >>> Ultimately, though, >>> without life I'd have _no_ way of life, so I think clinging to life >>> would win out. >>> >> >>Then convert to Islam and live the rest of your life happy and peaceful. > > --- > Who says so? My plan would be to convert so that I could work > against Islam from the inside. After all, the thinking behind > "convert or die" doesn't come from a philosophy I can abide, but if > I refused I'd have no way to try to cause its downfall. Ok, fair point. However, if living another is the primary goal, then convert and be peaceful is the answer. Each day you try to subvert the overlords your life is in danger. >>The way I see it, everyone dies in the end. > > --- > Yeah, but you don't have to throw away what you have left for no > reason but to spite someone. True and I am not talking about throwing it away. In our hypothetical example, the world has converted to Islam and all nations are Sharia. I would not see the point in continuing to live as all I lived for was gone. On a less ludicrous note, we live in times were each day another small part of our every day freedoms are taken away to make us safer. This is, to me, totally unacceptable. > >>All I can do is try to ensure >>those who live after me have the chances, freedoms and rights that I have >>enjoyed. If I die sooner rather than later it makes no big difference in >>the >>grand picture of things. > > --- > You don't know that. > > If you die sooner than later you might miss a grand opportunity, > working underground, to pass on to those following you a chance at > self-determination. True and I see your point. However, if by showing I was never going to sacrifice my personal beliefs no matter what the threat, then I may encourage others to do so. Peaceful protests do work. (Jesus for example). >>Isn't the saying something along the lines of "The man who sacrifices >>freedom for life deserves neither and will have neither"? (or words to >>that >>effect). > > --- > It's more like "They who would give up essential liberty to purchase > a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." and > it's attributed to Benjamin Franklin. Nice one - thanks. |